Is Hoffman The Modern Day Christ?

It's bliss without the delusions. You don't have to be delusional to be happy, happy is just how humans are supposed to be.

You can draw the line between illusion and reality with whatever you want. Nothing has to exist in your mind if you don't want it to.

You say that our viewpoints are not hard to understand but I do find it honestly diffucult to understand why you would draw this line to include aspects other than love, peace and unity.

And how is being able to constantly maintain bliss not 'earning' it if it is what your doing? That fact you do it demonstrates you earned it. It's like your walking up to a happy person and shouting at them 'stop being happy because I think you need to be doing this instead'. And you insinuate LSD users have delusional aspects in them? I don't find it surprising your friend went schizo being around someone like you. I certainly would if you approached me with that mentality of yours.

 

Yes, you're right, you earned it. You worked very hard for that five dollars not to mention the unthinkable struggle it took to actually put that tiny piece of paper in your mouth and wait. Taking drugs makes you special, it's true. You're a spiritual being with a wonderful outlook, and taking acid makes you a star.

You're so spiritual and so wonderful and peaceful and beautiful because you take acid, and yet you resort to kick-in-the-balls personal attacks. So yes, apparently acid has made you a much better person than me. So whatever. Take acid. I'm sure that everything you feel and see on acid is one hundred percent reality and LSD never causes delusions ever. In fact, if you ask psychatrists, chemists, and people who have extensively studied LSD, they will probably tell you the same thing. Acid is a gateway to ultimate truth, and anyone who takes it is a genius. And if they have a bad trip or go insane, it's their own fucking fault for being so rotten in the first place. Barring that, it's MY fault. Drugs rule!

 

that sounds like a good trip right there

and it doesn't take anymore than a seconds thought to switch from something rotten to something else

Altho, play aside. If you want a genuine viewpoint. In that documentary about Richard Alpet, he said that when he went and met his guru, saint. After some time the saint asked him if he could try LSD, for whatever reason. Alpert brought him I think it was 12 capsule of 'strong' stuff. The saint looked through them, closely examining. Then ate all of them. Alpert said he then waited hours, waiting for something to happen. But nothing did. The saint just acted completely normal, did everything exactly the same.

In this context I guess you could say I think of it as a test. A trial run through death to see how close you are.
Or furthermore, once you get good at death. Using it to put into play one of the many beneficial aspects of death.
You seem to think I take LSD lightly? Certainly no, it is genuine death to me, with the potential to be reborn however you like, a completely new person, such a thing is incredibly dangerous if not handled and treated with the utmost respect. I ask you, do you think LSD is -that- strong? Or is it something less? Or is it that you think I should take lightly something that has so much potential to do great harm if I do not know what I am doing? That certainly doesn't sound like a good idea to me at all.

Now until reaching final union. If you can present to me a good reason why one should wallow in errors of the others. Take burden and pain upon themselves just cause "they should". Then certainly I would do so right along with you. But I get the lurking suspicion your belief is even more 'faith-based' than mine and revolving in the realm called just your head. Just is eh? It's REALITY, right? Certainly it is? Why would it be any other way? You have any evidence that 3D reality TRULY looks like it does in the movies?

 

heywood, there are many people like you unfortunately. people who have had unfulfilling psychedelic trips who are way too self-centered to realize that not everyone has gone unfulfilled. it really bugs people like you to see people who are finding a genuine good use for a 'drug'. LSD is unlike any other drug and should not be compared to the likes of cocaine or alcohol. people like you exist because there will always be narrow minded people trying to ruin other peoples fun, enjoyment, or progress in life. of course we have psychiatrists and government officials who give weight to the belief that LSD is nothing but a tool for becoming schizo. truth is that in this world it would be impossible to have a drug that can unlock the doors of the mind and set you free without millions of people thinking that it is only a key to insanity. it actually makes a lot of sense. LSD is a drug only for people who are free enough to find out for themselves - LSD is not a drug for people who are more likely to believe what the authority tells them.

 

Quite. And furthermore, there is always inner tumult until of course an encounter with said catalyst, as well an achievement of great significance in the presence of such divine guru energy. Truly third eye mystical energy transfusion and I guess in this context you could think of it as a clarification of the terms with which various psychedelic experience life-changing total reception of truth.

In conclusion, acid.

 

It does seem to me though. What the western world largely labels 'schizo', the rest of the world instead labels 'real spirituality'.

 

the battle between science and religion continues.

imagine that, a spiritual experience made possible by science.

 

and heywood admits defeat.....

i dont understand how you seem to think that we dont live in the real world? that we don't do anything at all? do you really think that we just trip on acid 24/7 and never come down and never do anything at all? well yeah i have responibilities and i have a job..wow go figure who would have thought that right? i trip MAYBE once a month prolly less. sooooo....yeah....quit acting like we are retarded drugies that have lost all sense of reality.

 

if there is a "god" or divine intelligence/universal energy then isn't it possible that "it" would inspire scientists to make a discovery like lsd? any scientific discovery for that matter --the universe gives us these inspirations as a gift of love and compassion....here guys...here's a cure for.... etc etc. why not?


something gave someone the inspiration to smoke that first bud of weed--THANK YOU UNIVERSE!!!!!!! could be the same for lsd...divine entities/angels MUST have been in that lab one day thinking "you know what human's really need...lsd! lets help this scientist figure it out as a gift to humanity. let's see what these humans do with such a gift!"

again...THANK YOU UNIVERSE!!!!!

 

NO, mostly what the world labels schizo are those people who are unable to do things like feed themselves or look after themselves without a lot of help from someone who actually knows what's going on, ie a nurse, doctor, or occupational therapist. Those people with paranoid delusions about aliens and government plots and God and the devil and such. If you think it's cool to be catatonic, then by all means keep doing what you're doing.

Also, I do not admit 'defeat'. I admit that I don't really care about a bunch of druggies enough to keep arguing with them. But hey... congratulations on having heaps of responsibilities and a job. Given you're 18 years old, I'm sure it's a really important job too. No college? Uh huh. Well who needs it anyway?! You can just get high all the time and not think about it! Who needs an education when you have can pretty lights and oceanic consciousness? LSD is probably the only education you'll ever need anyway, given your obvious potential.

Anyway, if you want to tell yourself you're not just a bunch of druggies because your drug of choice is somehow better than the others, then that's fine. I'm sure you'll go far with that. And I don't mean economic success, and I don't mean in terms of seeing the world, or making things better or making a difference, I mean in terms of your own personal spiritual development which is yours and yours alone and means absolutely nothing to anyone else because who gives a shit about anything except your own personal pleasure and amusement oops I mean spirituality. Continue to take yourselves extremely seriously and keep following your path, because I'm sure it's going to take you somewhere amazing.

 

Ok, I don't need to tell you more who I am and what I am doing and benefits of LSD because you will anyway find something to be against. Are you aginst anything you come upon your life or just LSD? Anyway, nobody here force you to take LSD, this is a free world (at least in your head) and you don't need to do anything you don't like, except maybe your wife, work, shoping, spitting on "drugies"..........
In other words, why did you come here on LSD forum to spit on us? If you don't like it, just go on some sport forum and chat about healthy things and leave us in our "illusions". At least we like something, the way you are speaking I don't think you like anything, including yourself. It is only those ones who don't like themself or their life that can not appritiate LSD, because it pushes all of that in front of their noses.

I wish you all the best and I am sending you all my love!
Live and let live!

 

amen to that, dont come to a drug using atmosphere insulting drugs, you wont get very far amigo.

the only drugs that are ruining this earth are the kind you get from seeing your doctor, meth, and Heron.

run along pfizer boy, go support bush & the economic destruction of the world.

*edit* shapeshifter: please dont give him ammo to use against us druggies, lol, it's appreciate

 

there is nothing delusional about aliens-they exist and government conspiracies--they exist also. you don't need lsd for that--all you need is to be in the world to know that.

i find your description of skitzo's offensive as i have worked with several in non-profit and you are so far off fucking base its hard to take anything you say seriously.

not that i need to prove shit to you, but to dispell your ignorant assumption that all trippers are non-functioning minimum wage workers, i am university educated and was VP on the board of directors of a MAJOR non-profit agency. i was a consultant for the development of the UN's Rights of a Child Act. what psychedelic use showed me was that all these gov't agencies allowed people to tread water but it wouldn't allow them to swim. working with governments showed me how it profited off the misfortunes of others, how it paid to keep people down because it inflated budgets. poverty begetts crime & crime padds budgets. i got that from the inside buddy. it was my JOB to propegate that system.

psychedelics showed me how fucking miserable i was working for the governments "enabler." sober i could tell myself that i was working for charity--making a difference in small things here & there. but on psychedelics i realized i wasn't making any huge shifts in the system. i wasn't touching people the way i could--there was too much red tape.

psychedelics assisted my spiritual questing--but once you get to a certain level of spirit your entire life becomes service to a higher power. love becomes your religion and you practice it EVERYWHERE you are. so you can work a minimum wage job & still do more good in the world then you ever did sitting in a board room. i left the boardroom to work in retail!!!! people were ASTONISHED....but i do way more now...WAY more than i ever did--i went from enabler to ACTIVIST!!! retail pays my rent--activism fulfills my life!

the universities, the religions, the convent, the businesses, the accolades, the titles--they didn't do SHIT for me but keep me enslaved. psychedelic use freed me from the ego bondage and attachments to those silly silly things. psychedelics bound me to love...to helping the transcendance of humanity --yes because i'm selfish. i'm selfish in that i believe we'd all be happier if EVERYBODY is happy.

 

Your not a real person that deserves amusement and pleasure until you've retired from a succesfull career. Your just my toy to give assignments to. Don't take your personal aspects seriously, only my assignments are serious.

I had a similiar experience on salvia once. But thankfully that only lasts 10 minutes.

ps. Theres many varying degrees of 'schizo'
I don't even think the terminally vegetable are typically labelled that?

 

People need to empower themselves and be their own divinity

anyway, hoffman was merely a lab chemist who stumbled onto a marvelous substance (LSD) by accident. Jeses, as he's portrayed by the Christian faith was a divinty in himself; a decendant of God. While i think that Christianity and all things consiedered Christianity to be rubbish, Jesus the son of God and Abelrt Hoffman the ingenious chemist could hardly be compared.

Then again, considering how i dont believe Jesus to be anything more than a normal man, and considering how many people existed on the Earth when Jesus walked in comparison to how many lives LSD changed profoundly throughout it's existince as a popular street drug: Hoffman definately had just as much influence on people as Jesus did, in my life anyways.

 

i think that pretty much sums it up

 

i agree on the hoffman thing...but on the jesus thing...i dunno. i'm not a big fan of religion-actually i find it limiting and dangerous--BUT i figure if jesus was just a normal guy he wouldn't be SUCH an influence for 2000 years. he would have been forgotton among the masses like everyone else in history. jesus is the one guy that's stayed famous and had the most influence for 2000 years. he had to have something special about him for that to happen.

i think he was the world's first hippee. he ate shrooms or something maybe? the first guy to eat shrooms maybe? wouldn't that be HYSTERICAL???!!! if jesus happened to be a normal dude that HAPPENED to be the first guy in history to do try psychedelics--it made him all trippy & aware and the world freaked out with it! lol.

i dunno, i have always resonated very strongly with the jesus vibe...i believe he was a normal guy but a highly attuned-ascended master. i'm a fan.

 

lol....this post just let's us all know how ignorant you are.

thanks for trying to make me sound stupid, but just to let you know, i start college on the 7th of this month. GA tech. very hard school to get into.
I made a 33 on my ACT. Seeing as how you are a genius, then you will realize that I scored in the top 1% of the nation. but you know what...your right. My job is lame and im dumb and your smart. so thanks for informing me of my obviously low potential.

see, im still waiting on you to quit assuming things. open your mind a little. b/c, like it or not, you don't know everything.

 

hmmm http://leda.lycaeum.org/Documents/Mushrooms_in_the_Bible.10494.shtml

 

Not only that but the Hindu's have had Soma for thousands of years, and the description in the Rgveda given to the plant of having stalks, causing visions, and exposing God as well as our physical illusion called reality, I'd be willing to bet that they were magic mushrooms. Not to mention the failry obvious connection between psychedelics and the artwork, music, and mind state of Indian spiritual culture.