Is it OK to kill certain animals?

There's nothing immature or disrespectful about reminding people what meat is. I'm convinced that the only reason most small children eat meat is that their parents avoid telling them that they are eating dead animals. When my daughter was 3 years old, we told her, and she has not had any meat since then -- her choice, which I totally respect. She is totally healthy -- on the track team.

I have addressed the bogus "circle of life" argument before. I'll say again that your argument is primitive. You make it sound like, since we are members of the animal kingdom, we should act like animals. The truth is that we are human beings with the freedom of moral choice. I choose not to kill animals.

 

haha, well im sure she got all the information that she needed to make a wise decision for herself at 3 years old, i applaud you.


You mention what small children like to eat and that they're taught to like meat? in MY experience, children are repulsed by veggies and prefer meat BUT im sure with parents like you who are afraid of eating meat, you would have cooked the absolute shit out of anything you served her, i cannot imagine you feeding your child a rare steak (nutritious) instead you probably fed her 'poisoned' cooked meat (abomination) so i am not surprised you unintentionally placed your beliefs into your childs mind (and since you regard meat as dead animals, naturally your child is going to adopt your philosophy)

I have no doubts our minds have evolved (some more than others haha) but i do not believe our bodys have and reality doesnt care about your morals and what you 'think is right'.

I suppose where we differ is I choose not to kill plants? I allow the moose to shoulder that moral burden, and then relieve him of it personally... haha.

 

I always figured my conscience valued its self and was just being egotistical. Without that we wouldn't sit around thinking we were so much greater than animals, if animals were not around then 80 percent of humans would lose their mind and become animals who slob on themselves and starve to death from fantasizing about meat.

 

I guess you say ha ha so often because you know you're full of shit.

 

hahaha

 

Actually, I remember a story I read (I think on the veg forum) from a woman asking for help for her 5 year old. He had the bad luck of finding out what meat was the day before the beloved family pet keeled over. The family wasn't veg at all, but for three months (as of the time of the post) the little boy refused to touch meat. They had tried everything from disguising it in other dishes to force and coercion, with no luck. Force probably cemented his decision. Anyway, she had given up and was asking for vegetarian info for her son.

Poor kid. Poor Mom and Dad. This had to be rough on the whole clan.

 

i think we should kill all the people, it would get rid of the economy and reduce the green house gasses, therefor stopping global warming, deforestation, water earth and air pollution, war, ect.



killing everything doesnt always work.

 

Is it ok to kill animals that eat all the vegetables I'm growing?

 

Here is the truth..

If you have never wanted to kill an animal, you just haven't spent enough time in nature.

I think that most of you have some fantastical idea about nature and what it actually is. You live inside your bubbles and go for a hike along a man-made trail to a scenic spot and say 'Isn't this beautiful! I love nature! the birds are chirping, the sun is shining and all is well". That is NOT what nature is like in its true essence, its only a part of the whole.

 

I think you were on to something there
but now the question is how do we do that?

 

world "kill yourself day" could work ^.^

 

yeah i think your pretty wrong on that one. we know (for the most part atleast) that animals kill and eat other animals an all that...but that doesnt mean we have to. simple conscept really ^.^

 

And how much time is that? I have lived by myself in a shack in the woods of Mississippi for a few months at a time - no running water, no electricity, no plumbing. Cooked on a campfire out front and was talking to the animals around me before I left. (No they did not talk back - I woulda left earlier )

But I did live with nature, saw the creatures around me, had a mouse living with me until a large garter snake showed up one day. He was quite lethargic and didn't slither away. Mouse wasn't seen since.

Then there was the thatched roof cabana in Guatemala, that had 3-inch roach like bugs crawlin up the post and fruit bats that ate ciruelas over our hamacas and dropped the pits on us at night. Pythons were in Lago Peten Itza, where we bathed and got our drinking water.

So, how much time have you spent in nature? What have you seen that we are missing?

 

i live in an amazing place, the desert, definatly a good place to learn about life (though i still prefur washington, much wildlife there as well ^.^).


maybe its not "If you have Never wanted to kill an animal, you just haven't spent enough time in nature.", maybe its "If you have EVER wanted wanted to kill an anial, you just havnt spent enough time in nature."


being in a forest or the middle of a desert near night when everything comes out, or even in the day when you can see a few little kangaroo mice or an occational snake or bunny, or even just the plants and insects, its amazing and makes you feel small, it puts you in your place in the world and lets you know it, your not the master of everything, everything is the master of you.

 

I suppose that I have a unique life experience which has left my wife and I with our own perspective on things.

It was not that long ago that we were vegan, animal loving weekend nature seekers. Our goals had always been to live in nature, out in the woods. My wife especially has been rescuing small birds/animals and nursing them back to health since she was a small, small child, she wont drive because she knows that she would swerve to miss a poor unfortunate creature on the road.

At the start of last year my wife was so sick that she was able to function for mabye 2hrs out of every day.. she would sleep for approximately 14hrs and stare into the void 'waking up' for the other 8. Her digestion pretty much stopped and she started wasting away. No ammount of quality organic foods or magic amazon snake oil silver pills helped. We were fully expecting her to die.. soon. We had tried EVERYTHING.

long story short we are desperate, i chance across some crazy shit about eating raw meat and since we have tried everything else and death is looming whats really the worst thing thats going to happen? haha

well nothing bad happened.. in fact an entire cascade of incredible health improvements began happening.. My wife could for once digest her food.. she was no longer bloated, she had energy again etc.. A few months eating a raw animal food diet (no plant matter) and she was sleeping 8hrs a day again, actually waking up in the morning, having energy all day.. no insomnia..

She has been eating nothing but raw 'dead animal' for about 1 year now and keeps getting healthier every day.. we have tried incorperating plant foods back into our diet but it has always been a negative experience compared to not having them at all.

We have come from regarding them as our 'furry friends' to also regarding them as mobile units of life giving sustinance. My wife would be dead if she did not eat the raw flesh of animals.

You could say that we respect animals on a level that you do not. Thats pretty apparent with your 'dead animal' remarks because as I have explained, they are definately not just dead animals to us and and you are certainly being disrespectful, immature AND small minded refering to them as such (in my eyes.)

 

That is one bizarre affliction your wife had - something I have never heard of. Humans are usually designed to be omniverous and vary from nearly carnivorous to vegetarian. Seems almost like an allergic reaction to be able to only subsist on one type of food - especially raw meat.

Now since you are eating raw meat, I hope it is dead before you eat it.

I can't figure how you figure that calling something correctly makes one small minded and immature. You can call it grilled steak, fried chicken, or pork chops but in the end it is a dead animal.

 

ok, i dont wana sound mean or anything but thats kinda backwords reasoning...you gotta maintain a proper diet vegan or not, but if your gona be vegan you gotta make sure you get the nutrients you need...

 

Actually, those were my "dead animal" remarks. Different people have different dietary needs. We've been over what happens when my husband tries to go meatless. He gets very lethargic and crabby, and just starts wilting. Kudos on finding the wife's needs out time, Neone. Sobebella, some people just can't go vegan. I couldn't, but then in my area there are NO affordable vegan foods. We have a store for such things, but they charge seven dollars for soy dogs. On the local average income (minimum wage at the highest) this is just not feasible. If it helps, my eggs come from a local free range hobby farmer.

And I have to agree with Shale. It's a dead animal, and there really is no reason to sugar-coat it with pretty names. For us, it's not a disrespectful thing, just the truth.

 

if anything, its a discrace calling them steak, pork, ect, thats puting a false name to it so that people can eat happy, throwing the idea of where the food came from out of your head.

 

your right, not every one can go vegan and im really not trying to force it on every one (sorry if im a little pushy ) but 1: people waste so much meat, they dont see that their throwing away parts of the lives of an animal, simple toss it in the trash. 2: the way animals are treated when theyre bred for meat, they dont get much room, and are usaly fed cheap prossesed foods rather than fresh foods they'd normaly eat.

i think people should see where their meat came from, the prosses of it all...im sure thated help alot of people change their minds. i just think its sick that some one can raise an animal just to kill and eat it later, and give it a shitty life to boot.