Is it OK to kill certain animals?

I should add that we personally know the farmers that we purchase our meat from since i buy direct from them. All the meat that we eat is grassfed and organic, i would not touch supermarket meat with a 10 foot pole.

Our diet is more raw organs and fat, rather than meat... the muscle meat is what i generally give my dogs haha. Ill stress the raw part, if she cooks the meat it is ruined and will wreck her just as much as a carrot. Its not like we shun plants, they are just regarded as medicine, and unless i need medicine for something i do not see the point in consuming them.


My wife and I are very into nature.. We dont want to live in a human bubbble, placed inside of nature.. We want to be an actual part of the nature around us.
We have spent a lot of time wild foraging and if you have ever done it to try and live on, you will realize that it just does not work. I'm sure you can survive for a while trying to dig wild carrots and eating berries but you will not thrive.

A single moose will feed my family for 3-4 weeks... that is 1 days worth of hunting. To gather plant based foods to sustain your life, you are looking at Hours of work, every single day.

We live in a tent for 8 months out of the year here in canada.. right now we're building a shelter outside to try and extend those months some.

This year we spent it living in a swamp. I was the kind of guy who used to carry bugs outside instead of killing them... Thats fine when you're in a house and there isnt many bugs around, but when you're living in them they will start to get on your nerves. The roof of our tent is a moving mass of spiders and earwigs at night, they drop on your face while you're trying to sleep and respect for them starts to dissolve... haha

We also had our little furry friend, Champion the Chipmunk. He was pretty cool.... untill he started harvesting the nuts from the tops of the trees and throwing them to the ground... wouldnt have been a problem except that little fucker was constantly aiming for us and our stuff and trying to piss us off, it didnt matter where we put something, he would aim for it and it was a constant tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tink, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tink, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tink, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tink, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tink, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tink, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tink, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tink, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tink, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tink, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tink, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tink, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tink, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tink, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tink, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tink, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tink, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tink, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tink, tap, tap.... etc...

on the Eight morning of this even my wife had had enough since he decided to start at like 4:30 in the morning and no sleep was coming (as if honking ducks all night isnt bad enough). She was pissed, grabbed the gun, ran outside naked and was screaming at this chipmunk haha... There wasnt much we could do since he was up so high, but he let out his chipmunk laugh so im sure he knew what was up. So theres one incidence of a real animal lover being pushed to a point where she would have removed an animal from this world. (if its any consolation we would have eaten him, used his skin and brothed his bones, nothing is wasted here folks)

I think that when you think of meat, you think of feedlots and sick animals. I am so far removed from that kind of thing that i forget that it is what the majority of people are exposed to. I guess those animals are just 'dead animals', because i sure as shit wouldnt use them, a sick animal is uselss to me except for mabye their hide.

If you said to an Indian after they had killed a deer, and while they were showing their respect to it you interupted with 'What are you talking to it for? its just a dead animal now', they ARE going to look at you like you're being a real disrespectful asshole. Its because they are more in touch with nature than any of you 'hippies' could ever claim. The understand the true essence of life and nature and understand that it is all about BALANCE, not about good intentions.

Since veggies are alive, you eat dead veggies? or do they survive all the horrors of being torn from their homes, treated poorly thrown into crates full of their unfortunate carrot friends. Put on display in front of all you humans for you to pick and choose which one is going to be mashed up in their teeth, and if you eat raw they are eaten alive?! HORRIBLE!! haha

 

I think you have taken the "dead animal" quote out of context here to malign hippies who BTW are not exclusively vegetarians and some of whom do eat meat and even kill it themselves.

Those hippies would likely emulate the Native American respect for the animal that they kill for sustenance.

This brings to mind a movie that I really enjoy - Avatar - and its portrayal of that Native North American culture on a distant fictional planet. Here is an excerpt from my most recent Blurb:

"There is a scene where Jake, on learning the Na'vi ways is hunting and kills a Pandoran equivalent of a deer. As he dispatches the dying animal with his knife he says, "I see you brother. Thank You. Your soul will go to Eywa and your body will stay to be part of the people."

That reminded me of Native American culture:

'The Indian loved to come into sympathy and spiritual communion with his brothers of the animal kingdom, whose inarticulate souls had for him something of the sinless purity that we attribute to the innocent child. He had faith in their instincts, as in a mysterious wisdom given from above; and while he humbly accepted the supposedly voluntary sacrifice of their bodies to preserve his own, he paid homage to their spirits in prescribed prayers and offerings.' From The Soul of an Indian: An Interpretation by Charles Eastman, (Ohiyesa) 1858-1939"

Now you are just being absurd with an old specious argument against vegetarianism. There are many of us who are not vegans and are sloppy vegetarians (known as ovo-lacto) My limits are not to eat anything that runs, slithers, flies, or swims away from me. Haven't seen a carrot do that.

And, even tho I respect that all living things including plants have consciousness (and this has been quantified) plants do not have the higher functions that animals with a central nervous system and sentience have. Therefore they may not interpret actual pain and may not even be aware of their imminent demise.

At any rate one born into this world must consume - that is the natural law. So by law we have a right to eat plants and even animals. (Except you'd be wise not to push that by eating a cow in some parts of India)

 

My point is that if you respect the animals, and honor their bodies, you would not ever regard it as just being dead flesh. By calling it just dead animal you are treating that animal's sacrifice as a negative, when it should be positive.

 

No, you are Telling-It-Like-It-Is.

(A Hippie Fault)

 

We have to be able to respect the animals and the land they inhabit. Now quality control of food products have caused people to say "gross"", and become more likely to become vegetarian and such.

The Native Americans knew that they were taking part of natures spirit by eating Animals and plants(all of which have spirits) To allow human spirits to live in coherence with the spirit.
In such as making the dead animal more of a symbol part of life and death in the Natural cycle.

Though the natives kept good quality food and probably did not have vegetarians due to more practical need for food....but that is only my guess..

 

"Sloppy Vegetarian?" ROFL! I love it! I am so referring to myself as that from now on.

 

Most of you are buying into the lies and delusion told to you ever since you grew up.

Poor little me and my dietary restrictions. Boo hoo I HAVE to kill animals to live.

Bullshit, all of it. You justify and rationalize the killing of animals and the feasting on animal products because it is what your ancestors taught you. You were fed meat-flavored baby food at a young age and introduced to dairy products that your body is not naturally meant to ingest.

The human body is in NO way designed to eat flesh. Don't be scared to progress.

To the PEOPLE WHO GET SICK WHEN GOING MEATLESS: You have believed a lie told to you by the meat and pharmaceutical complex that you can't sustain yourself without meat.

It's called PLACEBO people. You believe it SO MUCH it happens. If you realized and internally processed that human beings are designed as herbivores it would benefit you greatly.

The reason there is obesity and disease in america? meat based diets.

Let's not even get into the residual negative frequencies you are ingesting when you eat the flesh of an animal that has suffered since birth merely to provide you with nothing that you need.

It's about domination, power and control. You cannot be trusted with the defenseless because look in the mirror and see what you do the defenseless animals around you: You herd them, inject them with all sorts of antibiotics, overcrowd them, fatten them with grain and restrict their movement to keep the muscle soft.

Finally rounded up, a bolt through the head, a slit throat while the heart still beats pouring blood out onto the floor, down the line. You cannot stop. Botched bolts, live cows, the factory does not care, there is a fucking quota here people. Chop, kill, destroy.

Living in the la la land where animals have no soul? Think we're somehow supposed to have dominion here on earth over all living creatures? Why don't we have canine teeth? or claws? Human beings are designed to be herbivores, not omnivores or carnivores.

Nobody wants to look at the truth. Or, oh shit, they might have to look a cow in the eyes one day and process the fact that there is a soul looking back at them.

What is to say an animal does not have the same kind of consciousness we do?

They have eyes, ears, mouths, feel pain, raise young, protect family, build nests, etc.
We do all the same things.

Why would we be so special as to be the only entity with a soul?

Justify murder as you well, and then look deeper.

More fossil fuel is used to raise grain that is fed to cows than all domestic driving.
They even feed animals other animals. fortified feed, they call it. Literally feeding chickens other chickens. And then they feed that shit to you.

Wake the f*ck up.

*sorry for the tone, but all this nonsense is just nonsense is just nonsense. Save every living being you can, show compassion to everything, bugs included.

PS: Ever thought of the life of a dairy cow? Forced to produce 4x the natural amount of milk (between 90 - 110 lbs of milk PER DAY) for years on end. Whenever you got near the end of your milk cycle, you get raped again by a worker with a machine. A baby grows inside of you. It is born and taken away. Your motherly instincts kick in and you long to protect your child but it is whisked away. To what fate? The same as yours if a female, to be slaughtered if male. None the less. You are producing milk again and that is what they want. Feed you grains and more grains and antibiotics and all sorts of chemicals to get you to produce unnatural amounts of milk.
Finally after doing this for years until your body cannot produce enough to satisfy the dairy farmer, you are sold downstream to a processing plant. You are rounded up with all the other cows. You can smell the shit and death in the air as you are herded towards a a a narrow opening. you know to go there is death but you are prodded along with electric stun guns and a man shoots a bolt into your head and this time he misses and it goes through your eye and you want to scream out in pain but he does not understand and moves along as another man slits your throat open and you are hung by your legs and down the line you go to be chopped into pieces while still alive.

Enjoy your steak.

 

bullshit, seeing as i eat a meat only diet and am apparently so healthy that my wife and i are living in a tent in the middle of witner spending all day gathering and forraging deadfall and sawing it up just to keep warm at night. You need a lot of stamina/health to do this and i know that if we were eating a vegetarian diet this would not be possible since living this way was 100 times harder on our previous diets.

So your whole thing about eating meat and being fat and unhealthy is a lie. (unless my wife and I are some weird alien superhumans who can do impossible things)

 

Actually, I am suggesting just that. Most people on a meat-heavy diet are overweight and out of shape.

You're living a different life, and kudos, but it's still rationalizing the killing of animals based on bodily health. I've read what you have to say, and some previous posts, and still just don't really believe that what you're advocating is right for most.

I'm talking about looking at how the body processes food. we're herbivores. Somewhere in the picture we started eating flesh and drinking milk and all this messed up behavior, but the body wasn't designed for it.

I also don't eat animals because they are experiencing consciousness like you and I. I can imagine what kind of hell they go through on a farm, factory or otherwise, and that's why I choose not to eat or partake of animal products.

If it's working for you and your health and conscious space, go for it. It stopped working in mine and I myself am feeling way better. *shrug* Go figure!

*ducks head* ethical vegans are assholes...

:::With LOVE:::

 

Our teeth would say otherwise.

 

Animals never hesitate to kill other animals. Why should we be different? This is the natural way.

 

Is it ok to kill certain people?!

 

How about child rapists?

 

I do not agree with the death penalty.

 

wrong thread for this

 

Someone asked a question, I answered it.

 

You brought up people. We were talking about animals.

 

Ok, next time I won't ever deviate from the thread title in order to explain my opinion on the subject.

 

If you want to make the point that animals are equal to humans, you need to explain why.

 

Why does your natural food(plants) rot your teeth? Have you ever tried to acquire food by a means other than a shopping cart?

I just believe that everybody is WAY out of touch with nature and the natural order of thigns these days. Intellect has overwritten instinct. People 'think' that they are smarter than nature and have figured out how to bend around the 'rules'. I swear that everybody is getting more and more sick these days, kids are getting sicker at younger ages. But we're all so smart and health concious, i am eating food from a packet with a big tick on it that says its good for me. I do not understand why I am having problems.. haha.

Better not eat fat, it will make you sick and obese! haha

The shit that i am spouting here that gets everybody so angry is my own lifes experience. I have found truths to be lies through living them. Have you ever questioned your own truths? do you even understand what I am trying to say?