Is it time to talk about guns?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Balbus, Mar 24, 2021.

  1. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Here we go again!
     
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  2. mcme

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    I don't know what I need to say to assure you I completely understand and support this.
     
  3. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Correct. Machine guns are heavily regulated...why aren't assault weapons allowed to be heavily regulated? Also note you can't buy a new machine gun...they are banned.

    Geez, I forgot, guns are no more dangerous than butter knives.

    The District of Columbia v. Heller interpretation isn't mine, it's the Supreme Courts. Try reading it.
    Reasoning:
    The purpose behind the Second Amendment’s creation was to ensure the creation of future militia.
    In other words all males (none of those nasty females) belonged to the militia...even though they didn't actually belong to a well organized militia.
     
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  4. mcme

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    I've said time and again I'm okay with reasonable restrictions.
     
  5. Flagme15

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    Bullshit
     
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  6. mcme

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    Hmmmm...
    All my firearms are still mine. I have ammunition and can purchase more at any time. Within the next few weeks I'll be applying for ccw permits in NY, CONN and MASS so I don't have any issues with what personal property I have with me as I travel between my two favorite residences.
    I'm not sure what the infringement was but it seems painless.
     
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  7. FritzDaKatx2

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    Well,,, me :D
    (Granted I plan to jump the required hoops)
     
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  8. Flagme15

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    You just affirmed my opinion of you. You just don't get it.
     
  9. mcme

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    Your opinion was that it's important to me to obey all applicable laws regarding firearms as I travel between New York and Vermont?
     
  10. Tishomingo

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    I did. As usual, it's just a series of statements and memes: a bunch of people applauding, certainly not the latest court decision since their outfits go back aways; a movie drill sergeant, and the Court's opinion, with an addendum by the corrupt and fuzzy minded Clarence Thomas. that "there is "no other constitutional right" that requires a person to demonstrate some sort of special need to government officers in order to obtain a concealed carry permit." Is that the takeaway that you want us to focus on? If so, it seems like a specious comparison, in that there is no other right that can lead so directly to the deaths of innocent people, as recognized by the extensive precedents for going back centuries cited by the conservative Justice Antonin Scalia.
    That still doesn't make it current. A lot has happened since 2019 that other sources keep track of. Report: CDC records highest-ever number of gun-related deaths in 2020
    CDC Report: US Gun Homicides Spiked 35% From 2019 to 2020

    Nearly eight-in-ten (79%) U.S. murders in 2020 – 19,384 out of 24,576 – involved a firearm. That marked the highest percentage since at least 1968, the earliest year for which the CDC has online records.What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S. Lumping knives with handguns is misleading. Knives seem to be used more often in general homicides, but Handguns are the more common weapon in mass homicides in the U.S.--.combustible chemicals being the favorite in non-firearms related killings ( none of those recorded in 2020-22.) How many mass murders were committed with firearns? The Gun Violence archive says 1523. But body count alone doesn't capture the enormity of a mass shooting, which is essentially and act of terrorism. How many mass murders were committed with semiautomatic weapons (AR-15; Sig Sauer MCX)? More than a quarteer , as of March, 2021, and the number seems to have grown since then. AR-15 rifles were used in 26 percent of the last 80 mass shootings in America So your FBI statistics present a dated and misleading picture. The FBI has no category for mass-murders,
     
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  11. MeAgain

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    Tish, Tish, Tish...can't you see knives right up there with guns? Knives are as dangerous as guns!
    And hands right below that!! Hands are just as dangerous as guns...why even more so. Come on, you can't shoot a gun without hands!
    If you're going to regulate guns you have to regulate hands. Remember a gun doesn't pull its own trigger, a hand does. Wait a minute.... the hand's finger does. Better regulate fingers too.

    So guns aren't the problem, it's knives, hands, and fingers.
    Leave the guns alone already, we need more guns.
     
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  12. Toecutter

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    What information do you find more credible, Newsweek is not credible

    What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

    Which types of firearms are most commonly used in gun murders in the U.S.?
    In 2020, handguns were involved in 59% of the 13,620 U.S. gun murders and non-negligent manslaughters for which data is available, according to the FBI. Rifles – the category that includes guns sometimes referred to as “assault weapons” – were involved in 3% of firearm murders. Shotguns were involved in 1%. The remainder of gun homicides and non-negligent manslaughters (36%) involved other kinds of firearms or those classified as “type not stated.”
     
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  13. MeAgain

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    So is what you're saying is we need more stringent regulation of handguns? I agree.
    Let's get rid of this stupid concealed carry idea that handguns are the greatest thing to carry around since the umbrella. Pass a law requiring registration of all handguns, limit sales. etc...... like Canada does.
    Assault weapons aren't the only thing that needs tighter regulation!
    Canada to cap the market for handguns with new law
     
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  15. MeAgain

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    You haven't answered my question.
    Are handguns dangerous...as you stated?
     
  16. Toecutter

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    People are dangerous, animals are dangerous, the weather is dangerous,

    Inanimate objects….. that would be no.
     
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  17. mcme

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    Legally carried handguns are not the issue. The illegal ones, the culture that makes using them to get respect acceptable and the slap on the wrist punishment system that the liberals Have put in place is. Now let's work on fixing the real problem.
     
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  18. MeAgain

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    I see. No problem with giving a two year old having a gun then. Guns aren't dangerous, two year olds are. Guns, as an inanimate object, are no more dangerous than a baby rattle.
     
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  19. MeAgain

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    Sure, all those suicides, domestic shootings, etc. that Toe cited were done with illegally carried guns. None with a legal gun. BTW what makes an illegally carried gun? I thought the Supreme Court just ruled there is no such thing as an illegally carried gun. You don't need a permit for open carry, you don't need a permit for concealed carry.

    Was that a liberal court?

    I agree we need to work on the real problem, and that is the glorification of guns, the proliferation of guns, and the people who disregard every sane thought process because they worship guns. Guns are more important than anything in their lives or the lives of others.
     
  20. mcme

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    Really? I guess let them play with the laundry soap pods and your pain medication while you're at it.
    Responsibility. Look it up.
     

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