Is it time to talk about guns?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Balbus, Mar 24, 2021.

  1. Tyrsonswood

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    Yeah... That would be considered "woke". Can't have none of that shyt.
     
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    New York subway riders may have felt a chill when they heard about the Supreme Court's latest gun ruling. Even those with only short-term memories may remember the mass shooting on the subway train just last April by black nationalist Frank R. James. Old timers may remember the 1984 attempted shooting when a white man, Bernard Goetz, shot 4 black youths who had asked him for $5. None died, but they all were wounded, eventually. When the one who was not cowered in fear, Gates said :"You don't look so bad, here's another" and shot him in the back, severing his spinal cord., leaving him paralyzed and brain damaged for life. Gaetz explained: that when one of the threatening young men smirked at him, he wanted to “kill them all.” Goetz’s argued self-defense, saying that the young men were trying to rob him. The prosecution maintained that the four young men were only panhandling. Goetz was acquitted on an attempted murder charge, but served 250 days on an illegal gun possession charge. He was subsequently bankrupted in a civil suit.

    These are the kinds of incidents we are likely to see more of, and what would future courts, acting under the new Supreme Court precedent, do with a guy like Goetz. I imagine some of our Second Amendment warriors on this site would applaud Goetz and give him high fives for doing a number on the "bad guys". Looks like may be headed for a Hobbesian state of nature, where every man is an enforcer and life is "nasty, brutish and short." Hobbes, Leviathan.
     
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  3. MeAgain

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    Yeah. I remember panhandling for quarters back in the '60s. Guess I won't be doing that today as I might get shot.
     
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  4. Tishomingo

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    Today,of course, things might be different. You'd probably be packing. So would the guy you're panhandling from. And so would everybody on the subway. According to the NRA, this should produce peace by mutaly assured deterrence (MADD, as its known in national security parlnce). I fear shootouts that would make the OK Corral look like a kiddie playground. And I ain't the fastest gun in the West!
     
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  5. ~Zen~

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    This entire thread is disturbing.

    Everyone posting here seems to think this is purely and American issue. When in fact governments with any social consciousness around the globe have struggled with, and dealt with this issue in other ways not mentioned here.

    I see a sharp focus on the ancient writings of a select few who determined the course of future history there in the United States.

    There is a world out there with many ideas and solutions... open youor eyes, open your minds and find a solution...

    Endlessly arguing over and over again on the same point?

    I have no easy solution... but I do see a huge problem.
     
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  6. MeAgain

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    What are these other solutions that other countries have found that haven't been mentioned?
     
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    Unfortunately, this is the U.S. of A., and we have a number of one-of-a-kind institutions that get in the way of the kinds of solutions other countries have adopted: a written Constitution, a uniquely powerful Supreme Court to interpret it, a Second Amendment, the Senate filibuster, the powerful NRA and gun lobby, and romantic traditions of the Minutemen of the 1700's and Dodge City in the days of Marshall Dillon. In their fear of tyranny of the majority, our Founding Fathers gave us system that favors tyranny of minorities in small, sparsely populated states, which can block the will of the majority and often prevail against it.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...abortion-roe-guns-represent-minority-tyranny/
    The Tyranny of the Minority
    Tyranny of the Minority, by Rebecca Solnit
    We must take comfort in the occasional modest breakthoughs of bi-partisanship, like the recent compromise on gun control. Unfortunately, much of that may be undercut by the Supreme Court's gun control decision. That gun control compromise wasn't the result of gentle persuasion but the realization by Republican leadership that they might lose the support of suburban voters. Suburban women are also a concern for Republicans in the wake of the abortion decision. Not just bare but overwhelming majorities in this country support abortion under some circumstances and reasonable gun control measures. They're in the position of the dog that finally caught the mail truck and now has to figure out what to do with it. The only solution is for majorities to wake up, get of their asses and vote. The deck is stacked against them, but determination and size still matters.
     
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  11. scratcho

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    Because they're tired of gun nuts shooting people.:rolleyes:
     
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  12. MeAgain

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    Speaking of gun nuts..........

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  14. Tyrsonswood

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    Gun nuts be like... "Shouldn't have put so much mayo on the sandwich..."
     
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  15. MeAgain

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    I don't believe it.
    I've been told legal guns are not dangerous and are not used in crimes.

    Must be the lame stream media again.
     
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    Melvin Williams suspect in Subway shooting Brittany Macon | 11alive.com


    11Alive obtained jail records that show that Williams has been arrested multiple times before.

    Back in 2013, he was arrested on charges of burglary and aggravated assault. Just three months ago, he was arrested on charges of aggravated assault and cruelty to children.

    RELATED: Warrants name suspect in deadly shooting of Subway worker over 'too much mayo'

    He was out on bond when he allegedly went to the Subway restaurant on Northside Drive in Atlanta, where Brittany and 24-year-old Jada Statum were working Sunday night.
     
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  20. MeAgain

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    Right. I don't think background checks, etc. do much good to stop gun violence. We need to get rid of most guns, legal and illegal, and register the rest.

    Much like Canada's laws.
     

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