Is Nuclear War Inevitable?

You mean the alleged effects

What's the difference between them and the US military, when they are basically saying the same thing?
Now you are calling the IAEA into question too?
Please don't give me more videos, please answer what I asked.
What within the wiki link showed DU caused deformities in babies?
You now rubbish what you posted for me to look at...but trust a video that states a mother had a baby with deformities but does not give any medical evidence for this, also one baby was ok. Strange.

I'm aware after the first Gulf War everything was being blamed on DU.
But please don't ignore more recent data that shows otherwise.
I'm positive if the Australian military or the IAEA came out and said: DU causes deformities in babies, you would be hurling that at me at 100 miles an hour.

 

Depleted uranium for dummies:

At the beginning of George W. Bush’s 2003 invasion of Iraq, 1991 Operation Desert Storm vets suffering from Gulf War Illness were praying that United Nations weapons inspectors were right and that Bush and Cheney were lying about Saddam Hussein possessing weapons of mass destruction (WMD). After all, the ailing vets were casualties of those weapons even though the Pentagon maintains that Iraq never used them. How could that be?
First, on the issue of weapons of mass destruction, the United States government is not a reliable source, as you know if you have been paying attention for the past six years. This is also the case with the causes of Gulf War Illness.
Second, Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction in 1991. Many were illegally supplied by the Reagan-Bush administration, in which both Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld served. Dr. Doug Rokke was a health physicist for the US Army. He was part of the professional team on the ground training the troops to protect themselves from WMDs. He is prominently featured in the DVD, Beyond Treason.
In a recent interview he informed me that Iraq employed WMDs on a limited basis via sprayers, a few missiles and land mines. But most of Iraq’s chemical, biological, and nuclear substances were delivered to our troops by their own government.
Under the direction of Secretary of Defense Cheney, the 1991 Gulf War began with a “shock and awe” bombing campaign that destroyed large biological laboratories, chemical plants, and nuclear enrichment facilities, most of them around Baghdad. As the supplier, the United States government knew the locations.
Biological, chemical and nuclear weapons damage the bodies of soldiers in distinct ways. The first employs deadly bacteria and viruses to cause known illnesses. The second uses poisonous, or toxic, substances to attack the body’s chemistry. Nuclear weapons, such as depleted uranium (DU), were unimaginable before World War II. They attack the body with invisible radioactive energy that, as you will soon read, produces a wider variety of symptoms that develop over a longer period of time. Radioactive heavy metal particles embedded in the body are both radioactive and toxic.
Biological, chemical and nuclear weapons can potentially “blow back.” Once they are released, they can kill and maim civilians as well as enemy soldiers. Hence all three have been banned by international treaties which the United States signed.
They also blow back on the army that uses them. The practical danger to America’s own troops prevented the widespread use of WMD’s until the atomic bombs in World War II and the chemical herbicide Agent Orange in Vietnam. Hundreds of thousands of American troops suffered and died because of the testing and use of these weapons.
When George Bush Sr., Cheney, and Rumsfeld supplied brutal tyrant Saddam Hussein with these substances in the 1980’s they showed disregard for the lives of folks living in the Middle East. When they ordered the 1991 aerial destruction of stockpiles of these weapons, they showed a deadly contempt for their own citizen-soldiers.
Those early bombing attacks sent clouds of miniscule toxic and radioactive particles into the air that floated over the future battlefield and bivouac camps where hundreds of thousands of American troops were awaiting the invasion.
Bush Sr.’s February 1991 ground war was even shorter than Bush Jr.’s 2003 “Mission Accomplished” operation. The former lasted only 100 hours. Afterwards 105 sites stockpiling dangerous chemical and biological weapons were destroyed, contaminating everything around them. In March, a huge weapons storage dump in Khamisiyah was blown up by American engineers, sending a second huge toxic cloud over troops preparing to depart for home.
Sgt. Dan Topolski, of the 87th Engineer Battalion, participated in the Khamisiyah demolition. He speculates in Beyond Treason that the hasty action, without prior inspection, inventory, or proper safety precautions, was political. Topolski suggests this stupid order was motivated by Bush Sr.’s desperate desire to hide the United States origin of that weaponry from United Nations inspectors and the American people.
Years later, ailing vets would force the government to admit that CIA satellites had tracked the movement of the mass of Khamisiyah contaminants in real time. The size and path of the cloud explains the otherwise inexplicable incidences of Gulf War illness among Navy personnel and pilots on battleships in the Persian Gulf downwind.

Demolition at Khamisiyah
During the early aerial bombardment and later tank war, President Bush and Secretary Cheney authorized the use of massive amounts of depleted uranium armaments for the first time in the history of warfare. This material is produced only by the United States and had been used experimentally in Vietnam and the 1973 Israel-Arab War. Internal Department of Defense reports had warned since 1943 about its use, and accurately predicted its poison gas effects on our troops.
The Most Toxic Battle In Western Military History
In his article, “The Gulf War Was The Most Toxic Battle In Western Military History,” Dr. Malcolm Hooper, emeritus professor of medicinal chemistry at the University of Sunderland UK, attributes the symptoms of mysterious “Gulf War Illness” among American and coalition troops to a combination of toxic substances to which they were subjected.
These included, in addition to weapons of mass destruction, experimental vaccines, anti-nerve gas tablets, aerosolized pesticides, and smoke from hundreds of burning oil wells. Some of the vaccines were not approved by the FDA and had never been used on human subjects. No one had studied the interactive effects of as many as seventeen vaccines administered at the same time. Many soldiers became violently ill immediately after receiving the battery of shots and others developed a variety of symptoms later. Strangely, the normally bureaucratic military kept no records of who received what shots and when.
However, most researchers cite radioactive poisoning from depleted uranium shells as the deadliest element in the Gulf War Illness “cocktail.” In the 1991 war the Pentagon fired more than 340 tons of DU projectiles at targets in Iraq and Kuwait. More than a half million Gulf era veterans are on medical disability.
At last count, more than 1,000 tons have been used in Afghanistan and more than 3,000 tons in Iraq. Significantly, most Gulf War tours of duty were short. Three quarters of today’s troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have served multiple tours: 26% are on their first tour of duty, 45% are on their second tour, and 29% are in Iraq for a third time or more. Some are now being ordered to a fourth tour of duty.
Simple math suggests that depleted uranium may eventually prove a hundred times more deadly to our forces than all the Iraqi resistance fighters’ improvised explosive devices (IED’s) and rocket propelled grenades (RPG’s) combined.
Leonard Dietz is a retired physicist from the Knolls Atomic Power Laboratory in upstate New York. Dietz, who pioneered the technology to measure uranium isotopes, is quoted as saying, “Anybody, civilian or soldier, who breathes these particles has a permanent dose, and it’s not going to decrease very much over time. . .In the long run. . .veterans exposed to ceramic uranium oxide have a major problem.”
The Double Whammy Cocktail
A DU shell bursts into flames as soon as it leaves the delivery device. When it hits a target, as much as 70 percent burns on impact at a high temperature, releasing into the air billions of invisible radioactive particles. This infinitesimally fine dust of aerosolized uranium oxide consists of metallic micro-particles that are smaller than viruses or bacteria.
All of our bodies contain tiny amounts of natural uranium because it is found in water and in the food supply. But natural uranium is quickly and harmlessly excreted by the body. However the velocity and heat of the impact of D.U munitions convert the poisonous uranium oxide from a heavy metal into a ceramic heavy metal that makes it insoluble and therefore difficult to excrete.
Where does depleted uranium come from? It doesn’t occur in nature. Natural uranium has to be “processed” to remove less than one half of one percent of a special kind of uranium called U-235. Bomb makers use U-235 to make thermonuclear bombs that can explode with a force equivalent to 100 million tons of TNT.
U-235 is also used to make fuel rods for nuclear reactors. Used fuel rods are extremely radioactive for many years and will kill any person near them in ten seconds. No one on earth knows what to do with used fuel rods. Tons of deadly, radioactive used fuel rods have been in temporary storage for more than 50 years.
DU is “depleted” only in the sense that more highly radioactive forms of uranium have been partially removed. What’s left, depleted uranium, mainly U-238, is still highly radioactive and dangerous. It is used to make military bullets, shells, land mines, armor plating, missiles and bombs.
As we are all taught in elementary school, radioactivity is dangerous because it causes cancer. That’s why your dentist covers your body with a lead apron before your X-ray.
According to a June 2002 National Radiological Protection Board report,
“All uranium, whether natural, depleted or enriched, is a toxic radiological element. Each differs from the other in atomic structure by less than one percent. DU emits three types of ionizing radiation: alpha and beta particles and photons. Alpha particles are blocked by objects as light as a sheet of paper and humans exposed to them are naturally protected by their skin. Beta particles (high speed electrons) can penetrate human skin to a depth of one centimeter while photons (x-rays and gamma rays) are more penetrating and can pass completely through a human body.”
Although blocked by the skin, alpha radiation can be inhaled, ingested, and absorbed into the blood stream through scratches and wounds. It is highly dangerous internally. In addition to being physically radioactive it is also chemically toxic. This explains the “double whammy” effect. Soldiers who are exposed can become immediately ill from the toxicity, recover, and then suffer severe additional symptoms from the radioactivity years or decades later.
A study in the April 2003 New Scientist magazine suggested that DU toxicity combines synergistically with its radioactivity to produce more serious effects.
Dr Keith Baverstock, a senior radiation advisor to the World Health Organization, is quoted as saying, “The radiation and the chemical toxicity of DU could also act together to create a ‘cocktail effect’ that further increases the risk of cancer.”
Hence Gulf War vets were served a cocktail inside a cocktail.
More troubling still is another study of the materials inside the DU weapons used in Iraq and Afghanistan. That report found that in addition to U-238, today’s munitions contain plutonium, neptunium, and the highly radioactive uranium isotope U-236. An isotope is one of several slightly different atomic structures within the same element, in this case uranium. According to a 1991 study by the UK Atomic Energy Authority, these elements are 100,000 times more dangerous than the U-238 in so-called depleted uranium.
U-236 is another man-made metal. It is created inside operating nuclear reactors and is intensely radioactive. U-236 has been found in the urine of sick Afghan and Iraqi villagers and on the ground next to bomb craters.
Geologist Leuren Moret is an independent scientist and internationally recognized expert on radiation, DU, and public health. She estimates that “one millionth of a gram [of depleted uranium] accumulating in a person’s body would be fatal. There are no known methods of treatment.”
Quiet and Invisible Guests That Never Leave
Why the wide variety of illnesses?
Depleted uranium contamination causes virtually every known illness from acute skin rashes, severe headaches, muscle and joint pain, and general fatigue, to major birth defects, infection, depression, cardiovascular disease, brain tumors, and every other type of cancer. Uranium replaces calcium, destroying teeth and bones.
DU is causing permanent disability and death for hundreds of thousands of American veterans who served in the Middle East.
For more information, every military family should watch Beyond Treason, and every high school should play the DVD for students subjected to military recruitment. According to experts interviewed on the DVD, some soldiers return home contaminated with billions of radioactive ceramic particles.
Let’s follow the journey of these microscopic invaders after they are inhaled. They attach first to the trachea and stick to lung tissue. The heavy metal ceramic specks are practically insoluble; so they so don’t easily dissolve into the bloodstream. They cling to the respiratory system for years, even decades, and irradiate the surrounding tissues, damaging neighboring organs. Gradually they pass through the lung-blood membranes into the bloodstream and lymphatic system, causing illnesses and damage to the entire body. Radiation mutates cells, causing cancers, leukemia, lymphoma, congenital disorders, and birth defects.
Here’s what happens when these microscopic radioactive particles are ingested through the mouth or penetrate the body through buried DU shrapnel or open wounds. They enter the bloodstream and circulate freely throughout the body, emitting radiation as they travel. Some concentrate in the lymph nodes and cause lymphatic cancer. DU also damages the immune system by hastening the death of white blood cells, and impairing their ability to attack bacteria.
Other ceramic particles cause “low-level” cell irradiation in the bone marrow and the stem cells that the body creates there. Stem cells are the progenitors of all the other cells that the body manufactures in order to renew itself.
Dr. Asaf Durakovic, formerly in charge of Nuclear Medicine Service at the Department of Veterans Affairs Medical Center, was ailing veteran Terry Riordan’s doctor whom we cited in the March 8 installment. Dr. Durakovic is now the Director of the Uranium Medical Research Institute.
“Stem cells are very vulnerable,” he says. “Bombarded with alpha particles, their DNA will fall apart, potentially affecting every organ.”
The process is similar to building a house with defective materials or cooking a meal with spoiled ingredients. If malfunctioning stem cells become new liver cells, then the liver will malfunction. Hence defective stem cells cause many veterans to suffer kidney failure, brain damage, and poorly functioning joints and muscles.
DU may transform semen into a caustic alkali, which explains Terry and Susan Reardon’s experiences during lovemaking that we described the March 8 installment. This explains the severe urinary problems among veterans just back from Iraq to be described in the April 18 installment. Dr. Malcolm Hooper, at the University of Sunderland, is familiar with 4,000 such cases among UK Gulf War veterans.
Radiation expert Leuren Moret calls D.U, “The Trojan Horse of nuclear war . . . There’s no way to clean it up, and no way to turn it off because it continues to decay into other radioactive isotopes. . .”

42nd Infantry Division soldiers in Iraq
As far back as 1979, Leonard Dietz, the retired New York State physicist, discovered that aerosolized DU particles less than a millionth of a meter in diameter can travel long distances. Some months ago, Leuren Moret told Dr. Elias Akleh, an Arab-American writer, “DU dust is now everywhere. A minimum of 500 tons to 600 tons now litter Afghanistan, and several times that amount are spread across Iraq.” As you will read April 18, a serious level of depleted uranium particles reached the UK nine days after the United States’ 2003 “Shock and Awe” bombing of Iraq. It’s likely that I am inhaling them as I peck on my keyboard, and so are you as you read my words.
Compare the latest tonnage to the 340 tons used in the Gulf War. Dr. Doug Rokke, the health physicist for the U.S. Army, who oversaw the partial clean up of depleted uranium bomb fragments in Kuwait in 1991, reminded Alliance of Atomic Veterans writer Vincent L. Guarisco that, in Bush and Cheney’s new war, the massive radioactive arsenal has been used mainly in Iraqi urban centers and civilian neighborhoods, rather than in desert battlefields.
Over time, the health of all foreign troops will be affected. The health effects on the natives of Iraq and Afghanistan will be catastrophic. Based on the increase in cancer rates in the aftermath of the Chernobyl and Three Mile Island nuclear meltdowns, many Iranians, Saudis, Syrians, Lebanese, Palestinians and Israelis will die prematurely thanks to our government’s unprovoked nuclear attack on Iraq.
As you will read on April 18, because of their more rapid cellular development, children are the most vulnerable to depleted uranium poisoning.
Radioactive Showers and Chow
In Iraq’s arid climate, sandstorms blow tiny particles of DU away from the blast epicenter, impacting the surrounding environment without geographical limitations. It enters the soil, polluting the water table, the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, and infecting the food chain. Fertile, DU-contaminated grasslands west of Basra in southern Iraq produce vegetables and grains for livestock that are consumed by American troops as well as Iraqis.
The New York State National Guard Rainbow Division just returned from six months stationed in Camp Forward Danger on the Tigris River near Tikrit, north of Baghdad. Saddam Hussein’s rebellious hometown was the site of major combat using DU munitions during the initial invasion and for months afterward.
An official June 2005 United States Central Command communiqué reported that soldiers of the 62nd Quartermaster Company from Fort Hood, Texas were supplying Camp Forward Danger’s water from the Tigris River. The engineers ran it through a reverse osmosis water purification unit that dissolved the solids. The water is purified again and chlorinated. However it seems that it is not tested for radioactivity.
I have attempted to verify the degree of radioactive poisoning to which the New York National Guard members were subjected. I had contacts with officers at the base before this series went on line. However, Pentagon public relations officers Capt. Bill Roberts and 1st Lt. Tawny M. Dotson, have ignored my request for email access to Camp Forward Danger. I've appealed to Maj. Richard J. McNorton, CENTCOM's special officer in charge of helping bloggers obtain accurate information, but he hasn't responded either. We'll keep you posted Even if the water were monitored, there is no way, outside a sophisticated nuclear laboratory, to remove carcinogenic depleted uranium from water, air or food — as you can understand from the discussion above.
According to a recent interview with Dr, Doug Rokke, formerly the military’s top expert in this field, the only way to monitor bacteria-sized DU particles would be to send samples to a specialized laboratory.
Depleted uranium is nasty stuff. Think about this as you read news reports of the current massive aerial bombing campaign the U.S. is waging around Samarra, north of Baghdad. You might have thought “insurgents” would be the only casualties before you read “Depleted Uranium For Dummies.” But you’re not a “dummy” anymore.
Our men and women of the New York State National Guard have just spent six months taking radioactive showers and washing small open wounds in a depleted uranium broth. They’ve eaten over 500 meals with food, plates and silverware washed with hot water, in two senses of the word. Thanks to George Bush Sr. and Dick Cheney’s decision to use depleted uranium munitions in 1991, the Tigris river, the Bible’s Edenic river of life, has become a modern river of death. And our brothers and sisters are drinking the forbidden water, with knowing it—despite informational videotapes produced for them by Major Doug Rokke and his team. The tapes, pamphlets, and bulletin board posters are mandatory, but how many of our men and woman serving in radioactive areas have seen them?
Our troops inhale depleted uranium with every single breath. Radioactive particles the size of a virus cannot be filtered outside a laboratory. Even the 800,000 gas masks provided Gulf War troops were useless because the charcoal filters became inert within days. The only protection is airtight MOPP suits connected to oxygen tanks.
No place in Iraq is free from radioactive contamination, including today’s supposedly “safe” Green Zone in Baghdad where top military officers, civilian occupation authorities, international journalists, and the Iraqi government leaders live and work.
Saddam Hussein’s former palace is now the middle of the Green Zone. It was bombarded with DU munitions before and during the invasion. So has greater Baghdad ever since. So Green Zone residents inhale and ingest depleted uranium every day. Perhaps that’s why, during President Bush’s Thanksgiving visit, he was served a plastic turkey.
UPI reported last December that Wilder Gutierrez Rubio, 38, had died a few hours after returning home to Lima, Peru. He had been diagnosed by doctors at Ibn Sina Hospital in Baghdad with severe leukemia, which they attributed to depleted uranium exposure, even though he had served in Baghdad only a short time. Gutierrez was part of a contingent of Latin Americans recruited by a U.S. company to provide security for Baghdad’s Green Zone.
Tragically, Major Matt Tully and his celebrated comrades of the New York State National Guard Rainbow Division are home from Camp Forward Danger, but not home free from danger.
After Dick Cheney sprayed the entire Army, Army Reserves, and National Guard with God-zillions of time-release miniscule radioactive ceramic buckshot, why should he feel guilty about shooting a few dozen ordinary pellets into one Texas lawyer?
Is Poisoning Your Entire Army an Impeachable Offence?
Can you understand why a majority of Americans polled agree that Bush and Cheney should be impeached if they lied to Congress and the American people in order to launch this war? According to the latest poll, a plurality of Americans say that it’s time for impeachment, period.
The troops want to come home.
Last month’s Zogby poll of troops on the ground in Iraq reported that 29% of the respondents, serving in various branches of the armed forces, said the U.S. should leave Iraq “immediately.” And 89% of the reserves and 82% of those in the National Guard said the U.S. should leave Iraq within a year.
And most of these folks have yet to read about the depleted uranium lodged throughout their bodies.

Your financial support is necessary if we are to continue to warn the troops, despite the government cover up, and to inform the voters, despite the corporate media blackout. Irving Wesley Hall
P.O. Box 281
Harpersfield, NY 13786
The 2006 election is nine months away. Are you registered to vote? Have you called your congressperson, senator or local opposition candidates?
We did — earlier this month. We e-mailed all five candidates for New York’s 24th District seat now held by U.S Rep. Sherwood Boehlert. We also reached both Democratic contenders for New York’s 20th district seat now held by U.S. Rep. John Sweeney.
We urged that they check out this website and our sources.
Four out of seven responded promptly — with thanks. These were Michael A. Arcuri, Kirsten Gillibrand, Leon Koziol and Les Roberts, all Democrats. Like the overwhelming majority of citizens, they were not fully informed about depleted uranium. Their positions on eliminating DU and promptly withdrawing the troops will be announced here. Now that you understand DU, you can oppose the position of many “Bush-lite” Democrats who want to withdraw some troops but to increase the tonnage of DU bombs dropped in civilian areas. Only ignorance prevents them from realizing this policy will kill more American troops than Iraqi resistance fighters.
Contact your representative about We’re Not in Kansas Anymore. Let us know their responses. Call your current representative, toll free, in Washington, D.C., at 1-800-426-8073. Warn them about the devastating effects on our troops, and the residents of the Middle East if Cheney launches a nuclear attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities. Such an action is a death warrant for most of our loved ones serving in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Please don’t just sit in your chair while a million men and women — who volunteered to defend your freedoms — are exposed to a triple whammy of deadly radiation and condemned to a slow and agonizing death like a half million Gulf War vets.

Selected Bibliography
“Depleted Uranium: What Happened to the Test-Tube Paradigm?”
by Dennis Kyne, San Francisco Bayview, Feb. 23, 2005.
(Strong on simple logic and science by a veteran-advocate with Gulf War Illness.)
“Depleted Uranium — A Hidden Looming Worldwide Calamity”
by Stephen Lendman, GlobalResearch.ca, Jan. 19, 2006.
(Broadest scope of the urgent international danger and how it is affecting you now.)
“Vet’s Ills Mounting Fast”
by Juan Gonzalez, New York Daily News, Feb. 7, 2006.
(Must read for latest statistics of escalating casualties among Iraq War veterans.)
An Interview with Bob Smith
“Depleted Uranium: States Take Action to Protect Their Soldiers and Veterans,” by Kevin Zeese, Counterpunch, July 12, 2005.
(Excellent activist's advice on making a successful case for mandatory testing to legislators. Present progress on the state level.)
“Radioactive Tank No. 9 comes limping home”
by Bob Nichols, San Francisco Bayview, Nov. 9, 2005.
(Very good on Pentagon's unprotected radioactive dump sites inside United States. Good on international laws broken and Pentagon's own regulations ignored. Nichols is a pioneer journalist on depleted uranium.)
“Nothing depleted about ‘depleted uranium’ ”
Disturbing photos of children
by Abel Bult-Ito, news-miner.com and uruknet.info, Jan. 22, 2006.
(Scientific with good statistics and projections.)
“Weapons of Self-Destruction”
by David Rose, Vanity Fair, Nov. 15, 2004.
(Comprehensive. Strong on Pentagon stonewalling. Touching case studies and information about extensive D.U. contamination inside the United States.)
“The Invasion and Occupation of Iraq”
Moderator: Haifa Zangana
Testimony — World Tribunal Iraq — Istanbul, Turkey.
The Excessive Use of Weapons and Banned Weapons
Report by Akira Maeda, Sayo Saruta, Koichi Inamori,
ICTI Istanbul June 23-27, 2005

 

You know, you are in a hippies forum trying to tell to young people that depleted uranium warfare is ok? You know what you are in my eyes? Making useless efforts. They are never going to love your depleted uranium ammunition, odon.

 

I'm not trying to make anybody love depleted uranium ammunition/warfare. Just because this is a "hippie" website, that does not mean you can dismiss information and post any old rubbish because you think people are more likely to believe it. Obviously some people will, I won't dispute that.
But fundamentally it is a discussion forum, and most people are open to read/watch both sides of the debate. I'm asking you to back up your lurid pictures of deformed babies with some evidence, and you post a video, which I don't think is credible.
Let anybody else who has not seen any of this (not many I would imagine, after doing a quick forum search) make up their own mind.
Jeez, talk about insulting peoples inteligence.

 

Btw, could you edit your last long post removing all that has nothing to do with DU, please.

 

? my last post is all on the topic.
here some more information on the pictures:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=2412
[SIZE=+1]A LITTLE TERRORIST: ENJOY YOUR HANDIWORK USA[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]I took this photo on the last day of my journey: one the triplets[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Afghanistan is has become the disaster words could not describe, hence, I decided to illustrate this disaster via these photos of babies born deformed. [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]On many occasions, I pointed out that we need funds to build a research institute and the linked monitoring stations. Unfortunately, majority of you simply brushed off my request. I wonder if these photos could elevate your humanity that has been overwhelmed by your comfortable life and materials desires. [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Again, it is up to you, to do whatever you think is human; that should not be too difficult. The funds for the research institute are very small price you have to pay after all your tax dollars have created this disaster. Whether you like it, admit or deny it, it does not absolve you from the indirect complicity in these war crimes.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]If everyone visiting this web site pays the amount they spend on soft drinks in a month, we would have the funds to build our research facility:[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]AMERICAN DEMOCRACY IN ACTION-"FREEDOM IS ON THE MOVE" RIGHT? YOUR GOVERNMENT is CRIMINAL BUT YOU ARE equally RESPONSIBLE.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]YOU MIGHT SAY, "THAT'S LIFE WHAT COULD I DO" PAY FOR THE RESEARCH FACILITY-A TOTAL COST OF FIVE MILLION DOLLARS-PEANUTS COMPARE TO THIS PAIN.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]I HOPE YOU COULD EAT TONIGHT AND LOOK AT YOUR CHILDREN AND SAY IT IS OKAY TO REMAIN INDIFFERENT. I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED AFTER ALL IT IS OKAY-YOU HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, RIGHT? You had everything to do with it, your tax dollars paid for their misery!!![/SIZE]

 

[SIZE=+1]According to doctors at maternity and children hospitals in Kabul, the rate of various congenital deformities have increased by many folds since the US invasion. In fact, the magnitude of man made isotopes was established by the Uranium Medical Research Center after their investigators made to trips to Afghanistan and collected urine and soil samples. They established that the rate of man made isotopes was gone up 2000 times in some subjects located near the bombed areas.[/SIZE]

 

I meant remove the history lesson and just leave the medical information, as that is what we were talking about.
But at this point, it looks like you are just going to deluge the thread with anything negative you can find...so I won't bother asking you to abridge your data or be reasonable. It's a shame really.

 

In the last post I just copied a passage concerning the deformed children, from now on I will just copy the most interesting parts, but then the footnotes are missing- Ill work on it. So I will just copy the most interesting parts and the link and the footnotes from now on if you like.

 

war is the most negative thing existing, Im sorry but I cant and wont help you find positive things about wars. We have to show to the people that war is the worsed thing in the world.
In Germany my parents lived through a war, memories are therefore very fresh and they are traumatized for life. They also saw people burned by phosphorus when they were too young. Not a nice thing. Thats also a reason why I wont help saying nice things about wars.

 

All it is is the same thing as posting the Google link to the deformed babies.
That post is a mess of personal opinion.
Basically spam.
That's not me wishing to not respond to it, but it isn't scientific.
Did you even bother to asses what you are posting?

I did not say I was finding or you should find positive things about war. What I meant was, all you are doing is posting negative information about DU.
Anybody can do that.
I could do that twice as effectively as you are doing.
But, I'm honest enough to know there is another side of the coin.
What you are doing is going back into history and finding information that is out-dated or personal opinion. Which is not fair.

Look, I'm honest enough to post this: http://www.umrc.net/facts_and_fictions.aspx
Recognise UMRC?
You can get your point across in a lot clearer fashion and not be reduced to posting dead/deformed babies that you have no real idea of the cause of there deformity/death.
Just sayin'.

 

Thanx, of course its easier for you to find information in your first language. Unfortunately all the good information I have is in German and its hard for me to find stuff in English. Imagine you would have to find the material in German language now- of course I would be twice as effective as you would be in doing so

 

Post the German info' then...well, the links, anyway.

 

No way, this is an English language forum. I will try to find better information in English but this will take a while.

To get on topic again here another site:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/du.htm

 

This is a moot question. Nuclear war has already been fought, two devices already used on Japan. Nuclear strategic defense is a type of warfare consuming large amounts of national treasure. The use of nuclear devices is one more environmental threat. The "threat" of nuclear war is symptomatic of a larger fundamental dissociation from our own creaturehood.

 

Take your time. Seriously, take your time.

 

When I know that English is someone's second language I try to cut them some slack, so here is some advice.

Americans have been through some pretty tough debates on abortion. The anti-abortionists were loosing the debate on the issues long ago, so they now resort to posting pictures of aborted fetuses. This has accomplished nothing to bring anyone to their side, but instead has inflamed the other side of the debate as well as those who were undecided.

In Germany it may be quite different, but such tactics are not appreciated in America. Most people here (hip forums) prefer to make their choices based on factual information, not what appears to be propaganda, including inflammatory images.

I hope you don't take this a criticism, it isn't, rather, some advice.

Aside from the U.S. and allies, there are other factions of this war in operation in Afghanistan, not to mention it's a poor country and women get very little medical attention for their pregnancies and their diet and health concerns are very poor at best, not to mention the widespread use of opium.

And, just for clarification, I am opposed to both Mid East wars, and have been from the beginning.

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Thanx, I didnt follow these abortion discussions. And of course, Germany is as well involved in the wars. Sorry about the images, I hope there is still enough factual information in my links.

 

http://www.marchofdimes.com/pnhec/4439_1206.asp

What causes birth defects?
Genetic and environmental factors, or a combination of these factors, can cause birth defects. However, the causes of about 70 percent of birth defects are unknown

 

On the fallout of DU ammunition:
http://www.rense.com/general79/hiro.htm
[SIZE=+1]Radioactive fallout from DU apparently blew far and wide. Following the initial U.S. bombardment of Iraq in 2003, DU particles traveled 2,400 miles to Great Britain in about a week, where atmospheric radiation quadrupled.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1] But it is in the Middle East, predominantly Iraq, where the bulk of the radioactive waste has been dumped.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1] In the early Nineties, the United Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority warned that 50 tons of dust from DU explosions could claim a half million lives from cancer by year 2000. Not 50 tons, but an estimated two thousand radioactive tons have been fired off in the Middle East, suggesting the possibility over time of an even higher death toll.

birth defects:
http://libcom.org/news/fallout-us-seige-fallujah-worse-hiroshima%E2%80%99s-19082010
[/SIZE]Using cancer rates among similar populations in the neighboring nations of Egypt, Jordan, and Kuwait as a standard for comparison the researchers’ made some disturbing discoveries in Fallujah including: •38 times higher rates of Leukemia•10 times higher rates of breast cancer
•5 times higher infant mortality rates
•A wide range of birth defects
•unusual gender disparity in newborns of 860 boys per 1,000 girls