is religion for living in the world, ignoring the world, or just for dying?

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by wa bluska wica, Nov 28, 2008.

  1. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    You have been fooled, science and "spirituality" are not "one in the same".

    They are actually opposites if you ask me.

    One is truth, the other a lie.
     
  2. OlderWaterBrother

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    Just wanted to say; Nice thought!
     
  3. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    It seems like I have already responded to a statement very similar to this one...

    "Spirituality and religion are not "two separate things" they are both the belief in the unproven.

    Science and spirituality can't walk hand in hand, they are opposites if anything at all.

    Science is the concerted human effort to understand, or to understand better, the history of the natural world and how the natural world works, with observable physical evidence as the basis of that understanding1. It is done through observation of natural phenomena, and/or through experimentation that tries to simulate natural processes under controlled conditions. (There are, of course, more definitions of science.)

    Spirituality is just faith in a not so clever disguise. It's just a guess as to what is real.
     
  4. bthizle1

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    Not so much my friend...Take Reiki for example. Reiki is a highly spiritual practice, but according to Mr. Einstein the utilization of a universal energy is indeed possible (E=Mc2). In Reiki it is believed that one is channeling that energy that is contained withing everything known to us in order to inhibit healing on both an emotional and physical level. Spirituality is not just "faith"...well I suppose everything to some degree or another is just "faith" if you're going to say that about spirituality...hell even gravity is faith....it has affected us since our beginnings as a species, yet we have not always recognized it's presence. It took "faith" to compose the ideal of gravity in the first place. Spirituality is essential in the progression of our understanding of our surroundings.
     
  5. Rudenoodle

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    Has the practice of "Reiki" ever been shown to "channel" energy?

    Probably not, has it ever been shown to do anything other than give people a little "piece of mind" as long as it's not investigated to deeply?
     
  6. bthizle1

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    Well, that's entirely dependent upon the open mindedness of the individual whose observing/participating in whatever form of Reiki is being performed. Somethings simply aren't a matter of numbers, regardless of the perceivably realistic labels we put on "nature" (the way of any "thing") we may still not fully understand what "is" is, let alone what "it" (that which is contained within "is") is.
     
  7. Rudenoodle

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    So Reiki could just be considered a hobby in other words?
     
  8. bthizle1

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    Not necessarily, basically there's more than meets the eye.
     
  9. Rudenoodle

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    I highly doubt that unless whoever created this religion was into slight of hand. (as he very well could of been)


    Can you give me a link to a reputable site on this practice, I'm kinda interested. :p
     
  10. bthizle1

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    Being as Reiki isn't a religion I can already see you make many assumptions...I'm not trying to argue with you, just trying to give you another perspective rather than this ideal you have in which science and spirituality cannot coexist.
     
  11. Rudenoodle

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    They can't.
     
  12. OlderWaterBrother

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    They can.
     
  13. all hallows

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    i think that depends on your religion or "your philosophy" really; your connection and opinion of (or lack thereof) people, your desired purpose in life, your beliefs and how they serve you in your life, how you apply them, et cetera.

    i don't waste my time on external manifestations of something man has trouble accepting; his ego. i've got one and so do you, you all do. look in the mirror and you'll see who's in charge.
     
  14. Rudenoodle

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    If you are part of a religion that believes after you die you will go to a better place you are members of a cult that hold death to a higher standard than life.

    If you are part of a religion that includes descriptions of an afterlife that is a horrid existence and a place to serve punishment you have been fooled more than likely by someone who was attempting to control you.
     
  15. all hallows

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    word.
     
  16. OlderWaterBrother

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    What if you're part of a religion that believes that you have a chance to not die at all and live forever on earth?
     
  17. Rudenoodle

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    You would be a fool...

    I hope that answered your question.
     
  18. OlderWaterBrother

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    Not really, since you believe that everyone who believes in a religion is a fool.

    In the other two cases you added a qualifier, saying basically that one was a death cult while the other was a fear cult.

    So, what if you're part of a religion that believes that you have a chance to not die at all and live forever on earth?

    Would that be a life cult?
     
  19. wa bluska wica

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    you'd be rastafari

    ask bob marley how that turned out...
     
  20. Rudenoodle

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    If someone tells you that if you join there cult you will live forever on earth you are being lied to.

    You could also say if you believed what the people who operate the cult are saying you are being fooled.

    Religion is an attempt to control you, it's a slap in the face of human decency to say "I need an imaginary friend to MAKE me behave".

    Religion is a means of control, it is used by tyrants to mobilize armies and by it's own religious business men to make a fortune from the backs of people who have next to nothing to give.

    Religion is for fools and those who attempt to fool others.
     

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