Is school and college just a liberal propeganda tool?

Who said anything about the police?

 

he sounds to me like a typical conservative fundie. How dare those liberal teachers tell us the side Fox News doesn't want you to know about?!

 

Bullshit. Maybe if you actually went to college for two days you'd think differently.

Knowledge is FREEDOM. KNOWLEDGE is POWER. "The TRUTH will set you free"

I am perfectly free and happy with a degree.

I have much more freedom than a dropout that sits on his ass all day spouting off on forums.

I went to a private college with teachers that were not Capitalist propogandists. They were in fact very brilliant professors that made very little money for teaching us about the world.

The Capatilist propagandists are the talking heads in mainstream media. The ones you watch at night, while I read Ernest Hemingway and Isaiah Berlin.


Maybe you said what you said so you could feel better about your own situation. I don't know, or care. Either way, it was an ignorant remark. Maybe next time, you will form an opinion about a subject that you have some knowledge of.

 

Oh ok.... Charles Manson always has the best ideas. yep. I don't think old Charlie is swaying my opinion... afterall... bad things tend to happen when he preaches.

RIP Sharron Tate.

 

Knowledge doesn't come from having some college professor telling you what to think. It comes from seeking knowledge yourself and coming to your own conclusions. Most people come out of college more indoctrinated than educated.

The education system itself is masonic. That's why you grauduate with a DEGREE, then you put on a robe and wear a mortar board on your head. Most people don't even question what this stuff means. The mortar board is the square of Freemasonry. The square represents the feminine and is the base, or foundation on which THEIR system is built. In this context we are dealing with BASE knowledge, which is the only knowledge that mainstream education provides. It basically means you have been indoctrinated and dumbed down enough, and are now ready to serve their system.

I disagree with the notion that college is capitalist propaganda. It's just propaganda.

 

wooow dont drop out of school man. Rat how do you know all this shit? You must have gotten a degree in paranoid delusions.

 

ROFL... I'm speechless.... Now, I can probably assume you've never set foot on a college campus


I can't speak for public universities- I am sure there is some of what you are talking about there.... but I went to a tiny private college... where everyone is family... where professors and students go to lunch together and bounce philosophical ideas off of each other over a cup of coffee... where in classes debate and free thinking is mandatory.

Now.... maybe the college you ar talking about is the Hitler Youth school... who knows... ?

 

do you always make assumptions?

i went to college

high school with ashtrays

there is a real world out there and it is bigger than your head

 

if you're going to rip someone at least spell their name correctly

[coming down fast]

 

I don't think we should be putting down college; I know I went to college for a bit (unfortunately had to leave) and it was a great educational experience. People there are mature and they actually want to learn. People don't pick on one another. Free thought is encouraged and respected.
Don't drop out; trust me, I know from experience. If you can go to college, go.

 

Oh ok.... Charles Manson always has the best ideas. yep. I don't think old Charlie is swaying my opinion... afterall... bad things tend to happen when he preaches. RIP Sharron Tate.

Agreed. I was just pointing out an extreme example of the sort of person who rejects reasoning/logic, observation/measurement, and the testing of predictions. Plus, it's fun to drop Charles Manson stuff on people, just as a mindgame and to watch the Pavlovian response.

I recently downloaded some of his songs/talks, and gave it all a very careful listen. The anti-intellectual mindset is never far from the surface. I tried to get other people to listen, and in several cases, they were actually afraid to even hear the music or words. Like it might infect them with evil or something. While most of the music is quite dull, some of it is not bad, and I can't help but be bothered that people can be afraid of their own senses and minds. Can the lyrics really be any worse than, say, The End?

"...The fields they are a-golden, now the cycle will complete,
In order to harvest grain, you've gotta cut the weed,
Get on home, get on home, come on home little children come on home,

When you see the children, with X's on their head,
If you dare to look at them then soon you will be dead,
Get on home, get on home, come on home little children come on home...

...Babies gonna disappear from their mama's arms,
There's gonna be a lot of fear but we'll be on the ruuuuun,
Get on home, get on home, come on home little children come on home."
-Charles Manson, "Get On Home"

 

Just to clear thing up a bit...when you wear the cap and gown you are certainly not pledging allegiance to the freemasons. It would make for a fun Mel Gibson movie or something, but in reality, the cap and gown were the traditional attire for the first University Students and professors. Just a ceremonial way to pay homage.

 

It doesn't have to do with pledging allegiance. It's their way of saying "HA! Now you've been properly indoctrinated to serve OUR system and you're too dumb to notice."

The cap and gown is not traditional attire that someone came up with simply because they like how it looks. Ceremonial homage? To whom? Do you know where the word ceremony even derives from? I bet you don't.

Their symbolism is found everywhere. In religion, in coporate logos, in movies... everywhere.

 

the first universities popped up in the middle ages. They had religious affiliations, so clerical attire was not uncommon for the professors. The specific type of garb you wore signified your degree and area of study.

The word ceremony has latin roots. Cera means wax and mony is a suffix used to form abstract nouns. The word itself has something to do with a pagan ritual involving wax. But alas, it is just a word that we use to mean ritual, formality etc...Doesn't really have anything to do with what Im talking about, it was just a word I chose to use. Assuming people understand what the agreed upon modern definition is. You see, thats essentially what words are...vocalized sounds and written letters that have an agreed upon meaning.

Oh yea I know their symbolism is found everywhere. Ill go on step further even. If you look close enough its even in the clouds and stars!! This whole Universe is a conspiracy...they've made us believe that we live in a world where you can reason your way to truth, but "they" don't want you to know that the only way to obtain real truth is to be completely irrational.

Believe me Rat, I know there are plenty of very powerful people that want to control the masses as best they can, and make a shitload of money, have a shitload of power and all that. I am actually quite the skeptic. But when you buy into EVERY conspiracy theory out there, you're no different than someone who believes everything that is spoonfed to them. Bullshit is bullshit is bullshit.

 

Usually the peeps screaming the loudest about "liberal" education are those that have none. It does not take a rocket scientist to see the damage done to our country by allowing a hand full of corporations to rule. Oh course the elitist will tell you they are doing no damage. They vote with their wallet and not social or moral responsibility. Kinda whorish IMO.

Last year, one major oil company alone, Exxon Mobil, realized $36.13 billion in profits. Its annual revenues were $371 billion. That sum is one most of the world’s countries can only dream about for a year’s gross product.

Why should the consumers who funded Exxon and the others’ incredible windfall profits have to fund, as taxpayers, all the billions in research and development Bush is talking about?

In fact, we should not have to.

We honor the right of all legal businesses to make a profit. But past some point of profiting from others’ dependence and/or distress, profits become something else entirely.

Corporations like Exxon benefit greatly from services funded by U.S. taxpayers. Not the least of those is measured not just in money, but in blood, as our soldiers, sailors and airmen have put their lives on the line to keep the Middle East as peaceful and stable as possible. (Well, until 2003, anyway.) It should be obvious that a peaceful, stable Middle East is vital to the business interests of outfits like Exxon.

Looking ahead, it doesn’t take a Wharton grad to figure out that the handwriting is on the wall for the big oil companies. Over the next 25 years, China, India and many countries will add hundreds of millions more drivers, nearly all of them increasing demand for oil and gasoline. The world’s supply of crude oil is going to be depleted at a rapidly increasing rate.

Don’t look for corporations like Exxon, Shell, British Petroleum and the rest to cash out and shut down when the last of the economically viable wells is exhausted. Long before then, they will have transitioned their businesses to — guess what? — providing alternative energy sources.

That’s fine. But U.S. taxpayers should not have to pay the lion’s share of their cost to make the transition. You can be sure U.S. taxpayers won’t share in their future profits once the transition is complete.

What Bush is talking about is corporate welfare. And as usual, he’s seeking to make the rich richer at everyone else’s expense. With profits in the hundreds of billions, big oil companies can pay their own way to the post-petroleum era, and they should.

 

I've heard students complain about colleges being "too liberal" when they learn the TRUTH about their forefathers like Columbus and Jefferson.

I guess "conservative" must mean ignorant.

 

Scholar R.J. White once put it this way: "To put conservatism in a bottle with a label is like trying to liquefy the atmosphere … The difficulty arises from the nature of the thing. For conservatism is less a political doctrine than a habit of mind, a mode of feeling, a way of living."

I have no probelms with fiscal conservatives they beleive

..t is to the property of the citizen, and not to the demands of the creditor of the state, that the first and original faith of civil society is pledged. The claim of the citizen is prior in time, paramount in title, superior in equity. The fortunes of individuals, whether possessed by acquisition or by descent or in virtue of a participation in the goods of some community, were no part of the creditor's security, expressed or implied...[T]he public, whether represented by a monarch or by a senate, can pledge nothing but the public estate; and it can have no public estate except in what it derives from a just and proportioned imposition upon the citizens at large. In other words, a government does not have the right to run up large debts and then throw the burden on the taxpayer; the taxpayers' right not to be taxed oppressively takes precedence even over paying back debts a government may have imprudently undertaken.


Its the religious conservatives I have a problem with...


One of my first "truth books" was Howard Zinns The People's History of the United States. Great book! It is still one of my favorites!

 

sounds like some Emerson shit.

but It's believable to an extent... interesting.

 

Fiscal Conservatism
The belief that the government that taxes and spends most, as a rule, governs best. So-called "fiscal conservatives" always work to expand the size, authority, and cost of government. Barry Goldwater expanded upon this definition by saying that fiscal conservatives should also work to make sure that government is also as inefficient and wasteful as possible. It should also be noted that fiscal conservatives tend to gain office by claiming to believe in the precise opposite of this belief structure.

 

Youch! I can still handle
fiscal conservatives
over religious ones. <--- they drive me INSANE!

Barry Goldwater? ewwwww I need a shower now.