Is Suicide Just For Losers?

i didnt really bother reading this whole thread but it doesnt matter who someone is, if they kill themselves they kill themselves.. I know someone who tried to kill themselves but failed at it. He walked across a highway and got hit by a semi.. He was in a comma and was fucked up royally.. All his teeth got knocked out, face all messed up and doesnt act quite right and will never be the same.. I have no idea why he tried to kill himself and basically will never know why..
I dont really understand the whole suicide thing, if someone kills themselves, then thats them.. I dont really feel sorry for them cause they chose to end their lives themselves.. And people can say thats horrible, but i really dont think it is.. I mean its sad in a sense that they would take for granted their life like that and pitty themselves thinking their life is soo horrible and no one likes me and blah.. Its ridiculous.. Everyone goes through some shit, some people have lives that are so bad they are beyond repair, but yet they strive to be strong and never pitty themselves or take their own life...

 

So you're suggesting he has no compassion for people if they are sick and suffering? That's just how he is? Cuz that's the "cool" way to be? Sorry, I'm not buying it. The dude is taking the easy approach. And it seems like he wants to build himself up, by putting other folks down. Especially if they are vulnerable (like suicides). To me, that seems like a rather cowardly way to be. It takes a lot more bravery to face the issue, and come to a deeper understanding of it.

Peace,

PD

 

Actually, a lot of people don't. He's seen as a true rock poet by many. Just like Patti Smith and Bob Dylan. His suicide does not take away from that.

Peace,

PD

 

well, I don't think that Marilyn or Kurt killed themself. I don't thik Kurt had the guts. He had the reasons, the darkness about him, but I think he would have done it accidentally.

I usually view suicide as a cowardly act. Yet, in some cases, like HST, I view it as herioc. I don't know why. It's just that, I feel that I almost knew HST through his peices of work and this is the way he would have wanted it. He took control. He was not sad or mentally ill, he was ready to die and he wasn't about to wait around and suffer while something else did him in. I think it fits him perfectly.

But ordinary people like me, as I have thought about killing myself, is just a tragic act. It's for people who are too impatient to wait for the good in life, or the weak, who can't take the pain and can't see the sunny side of life. There is always a sunny side. I think even HST could have made his last years fulfilling and fun if he had the effort left in him. But the life he lived I doubt there was much left. And there is not a lot left in others as well. I don't agree with it, but I can understand and give respect to those who did it out of bravery.

I thought Colenzo's post was magnificent. Death is not an easy choice. It is not painless or quiet or quick. You have to have a lot of nerve, or something very wrong in your brain to take that step.

 

There was no evidence of the sleeping pills in her system at all according to the coriner

 

So what do you think happened to her? Are you saying you don't believe she did it on her own?

Peace,

PD

 

actually kurt attempted suicide other times, so i think he was planning on it.

 

your looking into it too much
this is the internet
not a window into someones mind and feelings.


anywya didnt kurt write a suicide note?

and he is definately not seen as a poet by most people, hes an icon to many.
his lyrics arent good at all, he just got a bunch of simple chord structures and moved up or down a semitone. basically.

 

I didn't say poet. I said rock poet. Big difference. For example, Patti Smith's lyrics can be awesome (with music), but she does not translate well at all on the printed page. Same thing goes for Kurt. And he is considered a true "rock" poet (meaning the lyrics) by critics and fans alike. Not sure where you get your facts. Maybe you should give Rolling Stone a peek? And I still say that it takes a bigger man to show a little compassion, instead of merely writing all suicides off (including the famous ones) as a bunch of losers. That's way too simplistic for comfort. Nobody can really know what drives a person to that desperate point. So we shouldn't be so quick to judge.

Peace,

PD

 

his lyrics werent good at all? how do you define "good" anyway? many of kurts songs are poetic and have symbolic meaning. then again maybe you think "rape me" is merely his deep desire to be sexually taken advantage of.

 

Yeah, I hear you. In fact, I was thinking the same thing. LOL. Kurt actually had a strong sense of irony, and maybe certain folks aren't sharp enough to pick up on that? Even that one song he wrote about Frances Farmer was actually more about himself. His lyrics are not nearly as simple as some folks might wanna believe. He was awesome.

Peace,

PD