Is white on white usually weaker than other blotter?

i clicked on it and was like..i've read this before

 

Exactly! The different colors and crystal formations have to do with impurities, not quality of the LSD molecule itself.

The reason why lower "grades" exist is simple, greed.
The more you wash and purify the product, the less final weight yield you will get.
Since most people couldn't tell the difference between doses that were 100ugs and doses that were 80ugs, and both would easily sell for the same $$$, it's easy to see the incentive ISN'T in making a more pure product.
Remember we are still talking about the actual weight of LSD-25 present regardless of all other possible adulterants.

I'll wager that there isn't a single person on these forums who could tell the difference between "lavender" or "fluff" if given doses of each that equaled 150ugs in the actual microgram weight of LSD-25.

I know I've seen it posted here before, the deal about someone breaking open a vial of Sandoz LSD crystal from 1951 at Hoffmanns 100th B-Day. Nobody could tell the difference between the Sandoz and "street" acid.
Kinda supports the idea that any impurities present have little if any effect on subjective experience if the amount of LSD is the same in the different samples.
Oh, I see it's already been linked to.

 

I have had White on white that did nothing at all, and other times the same stuff had blown my mind. If it's white with black lines dividing the hits it's probably good. I've also seen white on white that was not divided like that and the dealer took some scissors and decided what a hit was.

I am sure it's like other drugs, the popular ones get copied, but I have seen white on white for years, and most times it's been at least decent.

 

wow acid that followed the dead in the 80s was the best I've ever had.

 

It's weird that people like Owsley who were sexperts in the stuff wanted the purest of products, and one of Leary's arguements why LSD should have stayed legal was because purity levels would go down. Obviously not everything Leary said was right, but I think Owsley knew what he was talking about.

 

During different synthesis, different isomers or analogs can be present in the end product. This will effect the experience. You're dealing with chemicals that have a thresh hold dosage of about 20ug. So you figure if you eat 3 hits of lsd that ends up being 90% pure, you could be consuming up to 30ug of something else. Do you know for a fact that different analogs or isomers that are chemically similar do not have synergistic effects with LSD itself? I think you simply do not have enough chemical knowledge to substantiate your claims.

By the way, anyone that is really into eating LSD isn't just eating 1 hit at a time. The real LSD experience doesn't really get started until you hit the 300ug to 400ug range. Unless you're eating more than 1 or 2 hits of acid, you'll never be able to get a sense of any of this anyway because you're barely enough enough to really get trippin'.

 

Yeah, I also think that the real sandoz thing is invalid in the discussion because they even said that that was brown crystal, which is probably the same as today's dirty stuff, prolly why it felt the same.

 

LSD-25 is active at doses as low as 20ug, but the only other substance that I have heard of active in that range is Salvinorin-A, the active chemical in Salvia. So any other residual isomers or analogs present would not be active at those low doses. Read Shulgin's books as he explored all those different isomers and analogs and I don't think any were active at such low doses.
This is a topic that pops up time and again, but sorry to say science just does not support this position.

As I said before, the majority of differences are simply due to different amounts of actual LSD-25 present in the resulting crystal, but LSD is still LSD. Again I'll wager that nobody in these forums would be able to discern the difference between different grades of LSD crystal if the doses were titrated to contain the same weight of LSD.
I hope everyone understands what I mean by that.

Nope, not really.
That is one of the great things about LSD is it can be of value in terms of experience with low doses as well. LSD is a very versatile substance with a wide range of subjective, dose dependent effects. True higher doses, 200ug+, do present the full spectrum of the psychedelic experience, but don't discount the value of low doses.

 

but do you agree that this is probably NOT the case? more pure LSD probably usually results in a higher dose of actual LSD per hit.


although most lysergamides have not been found to be active at doses as low as LSD...might they be synergistic enough that they become active at low doses when combined with LSD? i'd say that's a formal possibility. also, there ARE some LSD analogues that are active at doses comparable to LSD. eth-lad or pro-lad maybe, but i'm not gonna look it up right now. not to say that those are intermediates in the LSD synthesis (i dunno)

 

I doubt Sandoz was in the habit of distributing "dirty" LSD to the medical community.

 

Many psychedelic pioneers agree about dosage. While low doses may have "value", you're only opening the door a crack to the potential of the compound. Taking doses of 500 to 1000ug is more like kicking the door open. Even when Hofmann ate some in his lab for the first full blown Lsd trip in history, he took 250ug. The next thing you know, you'll be calling me a liar for saying there are people out there who have eaten straight crystal LSD, equivalent of more than 50 or 100 hits of LSD? But they have and do...

https://mycotopia.net/forums/botanicals/70632-thumbprint-lsd.html


If you want, you can read a little information straight from the mouth of a retired person who used to work with crystal LSD here: https://mycotopia.net/forums/misc-entheogens/1589-crystal-blotter-lsd.html


I still contest that an experienced LSD use can tell the difference between different batches of crystal, due to impurity and different ways of synthesis. If you don't believe so, fine by me. I suggest ya read those threads and poke around on that website some more if you want more information...

As for being able to tell the difference between crystal, you're missing the point. I'm not saying there are 10 types of LSD-25. The impurities in the end products vary because of different synthesis procedures. The different impurities can and will change the effects slightly. If I were a chemist that could tell you exactly how and why, I wouldn't be wasting my time on the internet really and sure wouldn't be posting about it on a forum. Regardless, it is true and you can find that out on your own if psychedelics and LSD ever take up a major part of your life. I'm guessing most people have eaten LSD less than 10 or 20 times in their life. There are people out there who eat LSD 20 or 30 times a year for years on end and yes, experience does count for something.

 

Of course the purer the crystal the higher the percentage of LSD-25, that's my whole point!!!
Of all people I thought you would understand what is meant by titration, so the resulting doses were the same in LSD content regardless of the percentage in the different crystals.

If crystal A is 50% LSD-25 and Crystal B is 100% LSD-25, then all one has to do is use twice the amount of crystal A to make the solution than you would use of crystal B. The end result would be that the final doses would contain the same amount of LSD, and I doubt anyone would notice any difference.
Pretty simple concept.

The possibility of residual components having a synergistic effect with LSD, is there, but I haven't ever seen anything that suggests or supports that idea. Actually most "garbage" left over during synthesis is pretty much inert.
At least from stuff I've read, but I'm admittedly no organic chemist.

I personally have only noticed a difference in "quality" of the substance one time in well over 250 journeys with LSD, and that turned out to be obviously a DOx substance. Any other differences were ALWAYS simply a matter of dosage.
So considering the number of doses I've done over the course of the last 4 decades, I'm sure I've had different "grades" of crystal.

Personally I think the whole thing is just snobbery and ploys to extract more $$$ for the product.
Tales made up by drug dealers to win your dollars.

But what do I know, I've taken LSD well over 250 times so of course I'm clinically insane.:dizzy2:

 

Read both of those threads years ago, although I did just take notice of one of the response comments;
"BTW, fluff can be laid with pure water, no ether or alcohol needed"
Strange because the more you purify the crystal the less soluble it becomes, so I'm gonna guess the guy that posted that don't know shit, not chinacat, but the respondent.

Why would I call you a liar? and by the way Chinacat said he took a tenth of a gram, that equals 1000 doses at 100ug per.
As far as experience with psychedelics goes, well I have a little

 

Its not snobbery. If you were at All Good Music festival and bought LSD on the lot in 2010, 99% chance you were eating Silver LSD crystal. I've been told straight up when I was buying silver over white fluff and I prefer white fluff. Regardless, my friend was honest and was telling me what I had. If it were merely a ploy, everyone would always say they have fluff but they don't and people in the know will be able to tell the different when they eat a ten-strip.

I was offered old Lavender at Electric Forest that came from the Rainbow Gatherings. The majority of European Lsd is Silver. I don't think anyone is trying to be a snob and say that Silver is shitty, at least I'm not. It is just a way to differentiate between different products, period.

 

Ever see real crystal?

This is why they call it white fluff by the way:

https://mycotopia.net/forums/botanicals/76820-lsd-taste.html


Scroll down 3/4 page..



Another picture of crystal here: https://mycotopia.net/forums/botanicals/70632-thumbprint-lsd.html

 

Perhaps not when it's new but when it's 50 years old...

 

Yes I have, but it was translucent white micro-needle crystals, didn't look anything like the pic you linked.
And what the hell does that have to do with anything?
What we gonna unzip and grab a ruler next?

 

Actually it was most likely not degraded much if at all.
Sandoz packed the LSD in vials with nitrogen gas, so no oxidization, and the person who had it most likely knew enough to store it in a cool, dark place. LSD stored properly will last indefinitely.

 

Because you were looking at needlepoint and the first picture was white fluff, the second was beige crystal(that folks tried to pass off as silver). I've eaten Needlepoint several times. Funny, its like you're trying to prove yourself wrong...

Anyway, we're obviously at an impasse and I'm tired of going over the same old' information. Believe what you want, makes no difference to me. I'm not trying to sell you on anything.

 

What I would give to be in the room where that pic was taken. It's cool that some people still believe in the cause of the chemical, and it's not all money.