Is Zionism a religious movement or a political movement?

I'm against Zionism... strongly against it actually.

Yet Zionism does not anything to do with modern Israel.

Yes, it was established on Zion-based principles... sure, but it was a beautiful zionism, a truly idealistic one... amazing. I think that establishing Israel in Palestine was a terrible idea, but it happened... nothing I can do about it... it's in the past Matt.... PAST!

 

Apparently you do not know what zionism is. If you support the state of Israel, you are a zionist. It's that simple.

 

There's nothing to support or oppose Matt... the state of Israel is there, and it's not going anywhere.

Does aknowledging America's existence automatically make you a "Patriot"?

 

That's the history where the jews... i mean the zionists... I mean the elites.. conspired to finance hitler and let the holocaust happen so they could create the state of Israel? About as anti semetic as it gets.

 

The real question should be: are the "palestinians" an ethnically separate people, or a political creation? The answer, of course, is that they are simply a political entity. There has never been a self-governing nation called "palestine," that is simply the name the Romans gave to Israel when they kicked the Jews out for good after the Bar-Kochba rebellion in 135 CE. The "palestinians" are simply arabs. And, if you read the PLO charter, they aren't really interested in a "palestinian" state--they simply want to destroy Israel.

 

I semi-agree, but I think that this is also not relevant.

Those people are there... you can call them Palestinians, arabs, crab-people, or any other name your mind wants to apply to them...

But they ain't goin' nowhere.

 

They have their own land. It's called "Jordan"--let 'em go there and stay there.

 

Well, yeah... theoretically they do... but that's like telling Americans to go back to Europe and leave the land for the Native Americans, who do have the original claim of it.

 

Yeah, right, that's it. Sheesh.

 

The Jews DO have the original claim though. They were forcibly driven out by the Romans, and kept out by the Byzantines, the Muslims, the Crusaders, the Marmalukes, the Turks, and lastly, the British.

 

No one has the original claim... original claims are completely irrelevant.

No one cares about original claims... shit, if this world was driven by original claims then practically all white men would be driven away from their countries.