I've just seen the NATO Summit thing. You wouldnt believe what a gigantic load of bullshit it all is. Everywhere outside too seems to be absolutely crawling with pigs(that "cops"), huge fences and all sorts of ways to waste our taxes and cause inconvenience. But even with all the shit, there's security gaps, because its all about creating an "impression" NOT| security. Its basically an arms fair for Uncle Sam. Or should I say "trade fair of death". There's an F-35 parked outside the hotel (a waste of god knows how many hundreds of bln dollars because it doesnt work)and a load of other shit. Then a flyby from those "widowmaker" Osprey planes. And the local town has a "protest" of fuckwits pretending to be Ukrainians in national costume (Nazis from the Baltics basically). The politicians are just entranced by the bollocks they're being fed. To protect me from "ISIS", "Al Qaeda", "the Aliens of Death" or whoever, I'd like the puppetmasters behind NATO stop creating and funding these groups in the first place. Russia (love them or hate them) was very clear to the Kenyan bastard and his gimps. "We know you want to force us out of our little naval base in Syria, but dont support these ISIS, they will cause all of us a lot of shit". But did the Kenyan bastard listen? Nope. Just like when he supported Nazis in the coup in Kiev, or when his advisors set up Al Qaeda as "freedom fighters" etc. In related news today, "our" prime minister's main advisor admitted that raising money is more important than winning votes to win elections in Britain. And this clown is now moving to California. Scum will always be scum. What really saddens me is people who believe all this shit from the Kenyan bastard and co. All because sad middle aged cowards want to play real life battle games.. with other people's lives.
There is the politics of Dancing too, you know. But the religion of doing penance all day long (before that other experience) till you fry your nuts off.
It's bullshit. Isis is bullshit. The media coverage is bullshit. The reactions by gov'ts is bullshit. The reaction from the average person is predictable....because of bullshit. It's designed for us to be outraged enough to fall in line.
i don't really know who they are. a couple weeks ago, there were suddenly a bunch of headlines everywhere saying stuff like "isis beheads some dude." all written as though isis is somebody that we all know. and that was pretty much the end of it. but then occasionally someone says something about how the media keeps going on about isis, even though i haven't seen them mention it since.
The US trained (and presumably armed) most of them in Jordan in 2012 to send into Syria. All of the sudden....there is a force capable of covering large swaths of territory and holding it....sort of like an American trained and armed force would do in the region. Who else has done that in recent history? The Iraqis just retreated and left all of the gear and armor for Isis? Really? If I were running, I damn sure wouldn't jump out of an American tank or armored Humvee and just run for it on foot. It's bullshit. Plus, it makes Islam look bad and ensures a reason for the US to keep a military presence.
cia should kidnap some of those god hates fags church people and airdrop them into isis territory might as well give them americans who deserve beheading,,,,its win-win
I think it's almost inevitable that the US and NATO will put more troops in there. Probably because IS now control a large portion of Iraq's oil fields. I'm not a supporter of military action in general, until it becomes absolutely necessary. But if we believe the media reports about their massive abuses of human rights, then I'd like to see them stopped now before they get even more well established.
^ Exactly. That's why I sometimes feel a bit strange people basicly saying it is all a scheme set up by american government/the west and that's why there should be no action at all. I mean I'm sure they show the eye witness accounts there too. Maybe those peeps miss them because they don't trust the media (yet repeat who knows who from some conspiracy site). I am also sure most western media is not 100% objective but some of those journalists' footage that they shot and especially those actual civilians that escaped death and got interviewed don't lie. You can see it. Some of their kids died, their families separated, men who didn't wanna convert got killed by the dozen etc. Ah well, it must be easier to remain cynical and convict this all as some american chess game when you ignore such stuff.
Yes, I've seen the eye witness accounts etc, and they're pretty disturbing. If we go back in time to the invasion of Iraq, there was certainly some dishonesty on the part of US and UK politicians over WMD. However, it was also said at the time that Saddam was a brutal dictator who regularly abused the rights of Iraqi citizens, and it could not be tolerated. That's true enough, but the level of abuses now seems to have got much worse under this so called Caliphate. The rationale for the Afgan war was training bases for terrorists.Under IS that's sure to become a problem once again. I can't see any real alternative to stamping this out now. If the situation is just allowed to develop further, it will probably be that much harder to accomplish.
I thought the same with Syria in the beginning. Once those religious extremists joined in the fight against Assad it all became an exponential bigger mess. Different parties fighting same enemies (and sometimes eachother) for different reasons etc.
I'm not sure that the west took the right attitude towards Syria, and may even have helped IS gain the ascendency. It all plays into the hate between Sunni and Shia muslims. But you're right - it's all a real mess. There are some, and not necessarily conspiracy buffs, who say that the agenda of the west is to de-stabilize the entire region, thus making it easier for us to take the oil. I'm not sure. I'm more concerned about stuff like ethnic cleansing, extension of FGM and so on. It's only for that reason that I would support action against IS.
To be sure....I have no doubt at all that ISIS is doing some horrible things. No doubt at all. But that doesn't mean that the US has nothing to do with creating them and arming them. And I agree that they should be wiped out before they get any stronger but......I'd say that's the point of creating them. Most people wouldn't say they should be allowed to grow.
Indeed, it's really not that bad or silly to speculate about the reasons why western countries like the US choose to get involved. On the contrary. But to dismiss how many peoples lifes are fucked up (and ended) by IS in Iraq alone and how many more are threatened on a daily basis, and for what reason... as some kind of western media's or government's fairytale seems kind of delusional on itself. I'm not in the first place talking about beheadings of western journalists (which is of course bad enough) but about people like you and me, wether they are kurdish, normal muslims or christian, that just want to live ther life in their own homes.
I'm not saying the US or the UK for that matter had no role in the rise of IS. Probably Iraq became unstable when Saddam was removed. The US has been supporting anti-Assad forces including IS in Syria. I just think we need to see that the brutality, mass murder etc is a home grown thing in the Islamic world. The Sunni/Shia conflict goes back to the early days of Islam.
I would like to understand better how and why the US trained the people that are now IS. Do you happen to recall the source of your info or maybe even have a link or something?
