Islam is about peace and love?

Ummm, now let me see...

I called you a tool.

And you support an organized ignorance that thinks I'm the vilest of all creatures that should be stoned to death and suffer and burn in agony for all eternity.

Oh yeah, that's about even!

 

As usual you are twisting my words. I'm not for organized opression as is indeed happening in some places. I just don't condemn the islamic religion as a whole because of it. It's rarely as simple as you like to put it, if you are aware of that you should nuancate your posts and perhaps I won't annoy you any further.

 

It is interesting how those who believe there are good and bad aspects of religion do not see the same duality for politics.

 

Is that so apparent among those who believe the first? Or do you just like to project things on people?

 

Some do. And the two are often intertwined--religion and politics, I mean.

 

duality is an ideo-conspiracy and belief in its reality requires
indoctrination . an artist of opposite can anhilate it . the
believer then weeps but does not suffer . oh , well .

 

Well to be fair you could find a good few quotes in the bible, in the old testament that speak of damnation, hellfire and terrible retribution. I particularly recall a quote that said something like..

"and the lord thy god is a jealous god"

Oh really? So the supreme being that created all the universe and all creatures within it is subject to petty human emotions? No, I think not.

None of these quotes have come from a God. They have come from a man. And whats more, a man with his own agenda, so whatever book you consider to be holy please take that into account.
Anyone who takes the old testament word for word is an idiot.
Likewise anyone who takes the koran word for word.

I believe that both are meant to be guidebooks, and not absolute truths and by and large the measure of how progressive and civilized a religion has become can be seen by looking at how literally its followers take its words.

In some places civilisation is running backwards...hence we have the vile dogmatic hateful creatures that are the taliban, literally a cancer in society. A lot of confusion lies in definitions.

Taliban = muslim (at least their twisted definition of it)

however....

Muslim does not = taliban

Whatever though it is impossible to have any kind of meaningful conversation with a group of people who take themselves and their beliefs so seriously that all common sense and humanity is erased.

I totally agree.

 

What I don't understand is why is it that when The West commits acts of military aggression things like christianity or secularism are not criticised, and these things are embedded in Western culture currently... but that if a muslim commits violence all of the sudden islam is put on trial. I am not necessarily saying people should not feel free to criticise islam however if people are going to do that they should give Western ideologies the same sort of scrutiny.

 

Islamist commit their acts in the name of Islam.

 

Is that a reply to lines' post? Please elaborate what you want to say here

 

I think it is interesting that many Christians and the like often quote something to the effect that in the latter days that all people will have to live by Allah or die by the sword. That seems pretty radical and violent.

But what do the Christians say---something about how in the last days the Jews and the Arabs will fight over the Dome of the Rock, the most holy site of all three religions (which I might add are all in fact brothers descended from Abraham--but hey, what do I know...), and that somewhere around this time, some, or maybe even many, Jews will give up their long lived Jewish heritage, and convert to Christianity. Then of course all the remaining Jews, and Arabs, and everyone else who still survives, but does not believe wholeheartedly and completely in Jesus will be killed. And Jesus will come down and cleanse the earth and build his temple on that very site. ...Hmmmm, seems pretty radical and violent to me.

 

Besides that Jesus has little to do with this thread topic your post is also full of simplifications and errors. The dome of the rock is not the most holy site for all abrahamic religions and neither are all those religions originated from Abraham's sons.
Also, just because a religion's holy scripts contains stuff like killing infidels do not mean that is the center point of the religion nor does it exclude that the religion is not about peace and love. Last but not least, christians say many different things as you may know but I am not sure why you are bringing up exactly that stuff in this thread?

 

I apologize for the inaccuracies which are largely due to oversimplification and the fact that I have had little sleep. You are right---the Dome of the Rock is not the holiest site ("Mecca--who ever heard of that?" Ok, yes--I should have never wrote holiest)---I should have said 'a holy site' or something like that. And of course, including Christianity as one of the sons of Abraham is a generalization--but it carries the legacy.

My real point after skimming through a few of the posts in the thread was that Christians often want to attack Islam as being a violent and non-accepting, and death-to-infidels type of religion--focusing on that aspect of Islamic religious rhetoric. But the fact is, Christians have the same end-of-days rhetoric of violence and death-to-all-infidels.

Because, to repeat your words, a religion's holy scripts contains stuff like killing infidels does not mean that it is the center point of the religion nor does it exclude that the religion is not about peace and love, I make that point.

Christian's see themselves as loving, righteous and good, and understand that their own religion is that way. But then they hear about Islam, and death by the sword stuff, and assume that Islam is just about that violence. Muslims understand their religion to be loving, righteous and good--I know because I have Muslim friends... Though most Muslims I know do not focus on the violent apocolyptic talk about Christians--they tend to understand that Christianity is about love and Peace.

Christians who want to attack Muslims based on such aspects of the Islamic scripture should remember that they too have the same kind scripture in their own religion.

 

A salam alykome .. hello all
Nice topic Bro .. So i want to answer about ur Qs ( If Islam is about peace and love then why did Mohammed and his followers killed so many people? )
befor that i want you to know what mean Islam .. Islam come from a word in Arabic a Salam ( Peace ) ..
So now we Speake about prophet (mohammed peace be upon him ) and his followers .. all the Wars in islam was a Defensive wars .. In The Quran alah say :
[2.208] Believers, all of you, enter the peace and do not follow in satan's footsteps; he is a clear enemy to you.


[2.190] Fight in the way of Allah those who fight against you, but do not aggress. Allah does not love the aggressors.

If you read islam wars storys .. You know Appearances reason of the
Verse ... ( mohammed peace be upon him ) never killed Someone .. he was lived with Jewish , Christ In Al MADINA ..


abdullah ibn al-harith:said:I never saw anyone who smaild more than allah's Messenger (tirmidi)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7LEPVfaaH4&list=PL1B9C8038933B28A0&index=10


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXuW7ppfxVw


Sorry for my English ...
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This is boring..no one really gives a crap about the verses in your little fiction book. Actions of muslims (Not just terrorism by the way) speak louder than whatever verses you choose to quote, drop behind or explain in a million different ways.

 

Did I step on some nerve of yours, Asmodean?

 

Did I not clarify it well enough? That guy makes a post and you are calling it boring and saying everybody here won't give a crap. So I neg repped you with the comment 'speak for yourself'. I hope you feel better now that we are discussing that here...

 

BULL FUCKING SHIT!

"Fight against you" is opened to a whole lot of FUCKED UP Interpretations....

From direct violence to disputes over land or a simple stupid fucking DRAWING!

These FUCKING ZOMBIES will twist anything into a war to suit their oppressive, brainwashed, insane, homicidal agendas.

What the FUCK did Martin Richard do against islam?



HOW MANY FUCKING BODY PARTS NEED TO BE SCRAPED OFF THE FUCKING SIDEWALKS BEFORE YOU FUCKING WAKE THE FUCK UP!?

 

I'm not sure who you are talking about but this thread is not about americans.

 

Just surprised you took it so personally that you had to neg rep me.

FYI, I didn't exactly specify everyone 'here', I was referring to the general public who might be aware about this kind of cheap trick the poster was attempting.