Israel Declares War on Hamas (bloodshed again)

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    More than 1000 of Hamas were killed outside of Gaza, where the the Israeli soldgers and Hamas fight face to face, but how many members of Hamas were killed by air bombarding wildly In Gaza? Nobody knows because they know how to protect themselves, but what about those civilians including children who were killed in their home and in the middle of noway!
    There is no excuse to say it is a war and war is risky. It is not right, making a burned land to kill thousands of people and vanishing their home then to say it is a war. It is not a war, it is not the IDF Code conduct it is an eroding a nation and genocide!!!!
     
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    It would indeed seem that, to some, the line between a "war" and a "conflict" can often be quite wide, while, at other times, quite narrow.

    Look at the Ukraine; it will require many decades of rebuilding to get even close to a semblence of "normalcy".

    And, of course, the people will never be the same.

    The same holds true for the Gaza war; not only will it take many, many years to even begin to partially rebuild, the people who have lived through all the horrors, their children, and their children's children, will never be the same.

    They, like the people of the Ukraine, have been blatantly robbed of their homes, their freedoms and, most certainly, their normal way of life.

    "Living hell"?

    Without a doubt................
     
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    The history is repeated, 6 millions Jewish were killed in Holacous, and now another Holacous repeats for 2 millions Muslims in Gaza!!!
     
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    Indeed, a vicious, blood-soaked cycle, without reason, without sanity, without compassion.

    NO ONE is winning in this conflict....there are NO victors...............
     
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    Over 90% of Tel Aviv's population is Jewish.

    The city is huge, with much to offer tourists; there is much of the way of culture, nightlife, and history here.

    Airlines, buses, light rail, and metro lines echo many foreign cities today.

    There is also interesting reading on politics here..............

    Tel Aviv - Wikipedia
     
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    Israel has just warned over 1,000,000 people to evacuate Gaza................
     
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    BB priminsrer ordered to use White Phosphorus bomb Gaza,the Hamas members. BB exactly knows that Hamas members are not visible in the street, he knows Hamas member are hidden and protect themselves from the bombarding, but he knows these Phosphoric bombs kill the regular people who lost their homes to hide and wonder in the street to find some places, so BB likes to kill Palestinians no matter they are Hamas members ( the minimum Hamas casualties) or inecen women ,kids, hospitalized sick people, old or young, it doesn't matter for him just killing them .
    He is a war criminal who kills not only Palestinians but also course killing the Israeli people. He is the main enemy of Isreal and Jewish people who cases to raise the hate feeling of the other people all around the word.
     
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    The old expression, "damned if you do, damned if you don't" really is coming into play here.

    No matter what sort of military action is taken, the average, everyday, innocent citizens, are the ones who are, indeed, bearing the brunt of the horrific suffering.

    How, then, to track down Hamas terrorists WITHOUT the killing of innocent people, and inflicting even greater destruction of an already battered, ruined landscape?

    It's truly sickening, sad, and so damn heart-wrenching...............


     
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    Hamas is telling Palestinians NOT to evacuate, but to remain where they are.

    The White House, as well as many other world leaders, are also further denouncing Hamas for using innocent civilians as human shields.

    Hard to believe that there as been such widespread destruction and bloodshed in the span of only several days.......
     
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    Metanyaho the priminister of Isreail needs some enemy like Khamenei, the supreme leader of Iran, and Khamenei needs somebody like Metabyaho, why? the answer is very clear, both of them need each other as an enemy to keep their people
    busy, so the celebration of the Iranians in Tehran is the same as the celebration of Jews in the US. Both of these people don't understand what is going on in reality.
     
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    On the news last evening, one Palestinian man at a pro-Palestine rally in New York, made a statement that, I felt, was quite profound.

    He said:

    "We want the world to know that the Palestinians do not support Hamas, nor do we support any form of terrorism. We only want that the Palestinian people stop being bombed in Israel's pursuit of Hamas."

    One report showed a complex (and VERY well-constructed) network of tunnels under Gaza; these were built by Hamas directly under the city, and are used by Hamas to kill and kidnap the innocent.

    The network of tunnels were almost as complex as a subway system.

    Here, again, we go back to this question:

    HOW do we track down and stop Hamas WITHOUT inflicting further attacks on the Palestinian people?

    I certainly have no answer to this.

    Also frightening is that, Hamas has launched a modern-day pogrom; think of the thousands of Jews who were beaten, assaulted, attacked.....and killed......by the Russians, back in the late 1880's and early 1900's.

    Hatred against the Jews is forever with us, a deadly cancer without a cure.

    Speaking at a service at a Manhattan temple last evening, New York City Mayor Eric Adams made this statement, which, again, made me think:

    "......New York is home to the world's largest Jewish population; so many fled their homelands to escape persecution and oppression. If they can't find safety and sanctuary here, where can they?"

    Not only is this war deadly and highly destructive, it is also an extremely complex one, one in which faith, human rights, morals, and ongoing military actions are all clashing together in a volatile conglomeration of death, uncertainty, and human sacrifice.....................
     
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    no sympathy for gaza sorry, I truly hope Israel just eliminates hamas by any means possible

    Kill As Many, Take Hostages, Hamas Told In "Top Secret" Document: Report

    The Hamas group created detailed plans to target elementary schools and a youth centre in the Israeli kibbutz of Kfar Sa'ad to "kill as many people as possible", hold hostages and quickly take them into the Gaza Strip, documents have revealed, NBC News reported.
     
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    Which is it; no sympathy for Gaza or eliminate Hamas?

    Gaza and Hamas are not the same.
    Gaza is a region populated by Palestinians amongst which are Hamas and their sympathisers.

    Not all Palestinians are Hamas.

    I believe there is no military solution either and that any form of peace can only be achieved with and through dialogue no matter how unpleasant that may be for the protagonists.
     
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    Latest from Gaza:

    Foreigners (including Americans) are now being allowed to cross the southern border from Gaza into Egypt.

    Palestininians, however, are not allowed to cross over the border into Egypt.

    Trying to look at things objectively, this might be because that Egypt is afraid of Hamas members crossing the border as well.

    How DO you tell the difference between a Palestinian civilian and a Hamas terrorist?

    Unless he is carrying an assault weapon, and carrying a "I AM WITH HAMAS" sign, how would one know?

    Then again, too many.......TOO MANY.......everyday citizens are being caught in a "no-man's-land"..........they can't stay where they are, they can't cross into Egypt, and it is certainly not safe to remain where they are......."Catch 22"?

    A living nightmare for millions, for certain, with no end in sight..........


     
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    Yesterday, visiting a New York synagogue, New York Mayor Eric Adams was angrily speaking out about how racist and hate-filled college campuses are, regarding growing anti-Semitism, and hatred towards Jews.

    Sadly, when one considers how violent our everyday world is now, an insane, upside-down world where people kill one another over parking spaces, shoot and stab family members over a minor family dispute, and madmen opening fire at concerts, stores, and in schools and houses of worship, a world where young children carry guns to school,, it is clear that HATE.....INSANE, COLD-BLOODED HATE......now has the world in its deadly clutches, and refuses to let go.

    We are blasting ourselves back to the Stone age....total lawlessness, chaos, unchecked violence, blind lust.

    God help the world...............
     
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    Isreal has wright to defend of his people, there is no doubt, but the Palestinian people should not pay the prices! It doesn't mean everyone in Gaza is a member of Hamas. The children and babies, old people, sick people in hospital are not the members of Hamas, so crushing and vanishing a nation is not defence , it is a crime as the same as Hamas has done in Israel.
     
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    Here, indeed, we have a glaring example of the "innocent suffering for the crimes of the guilty."

    More than anything else, the thought of millions of people suffering such unspeakable hardship, for crimes they did NOT commit, truly is a powerful slap in the face to all that justice stands for .

    Recall how EVERY Muslim, no matter how much they denounced ISIS and terrorism, was branded a TERRORIST, in the days, weeks, months, and years after the horrific 9/11 attacks on the Twin Towers?

    It is impossible for me, at this time, to put into words my true feelings..............
     
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    its both just like I wrote it , I dont have sympathy for gaza and I hope hamas is eliminated, I well aware that they are not the same HOWEVER gaza has harbored hamas , hams has fortified their position within civilian ranks it sucks but there it is
     

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