Israel or Iran? Who would u want to win in a war?

Sig,

Ehud Olmert said, "The war had one objective which we did not achieve, and we knew in advance that we couldn’t achieve, and it was spoken in cabinet meetings."

Ehud Olmert is former Prime Minister of Israel, 2006-2009. Perhaps you should give him a call and warn him about how he words things, as he really does give the impression that it was a war. What the fuck do you think he was talking about?

When asked in August about the proportionality of the response, Prime Minister Olmert stated that the "war started not only by killing eight Israeli soldiers and abducting two but by shooting Katyusha and other rockets on the northern cities of Israel on that same morning. Indiscriminately."

Formalized declaration of war by Israel? Honestly, you sound like a lawyer trying to get his client off on a stupid technicality.

The head of Israel's Northern Command Udi Adam said, "This affair is between Israel and the state of Lebanon. Where to attack? Once it is inside Lebanon, everything is legitimate – not just southern Lebanon, not just the line of Hezbollah posts."

 

Now I know this will most likely go over like a fart in church or a DEA agent at a rave, but here goes anyway.

Whenever shit like this comes up I tend to recall some of the Old Testament prophecies regarding the Jews and the nation of Israel.
After reading many of the prophecies and then looking at the history of the Jews up to the present time, I always come away with only two options, somebody wrote and published those prophecies within the last century or the Bible and all it entails really deserves a much closer look.

To understand what I'm talking about I found this which has a rather concise breakdown of the when's and where's with scriptural references.

http://www.lamblion.com/articles/articles_jews1.php

granted it is a religious website, but set aside whatever for a moment and look at some of the prophecies and think about the history of the Jews, spooky shit man.
Regardless of your personal beliefs, some of this shit is just to spot-on to be all bullshit.

Just sayin' and not trying to derail the thread or "convert" anyone, just think some of this stuff is worthy of reconsideration in light of the thread topic.

people often fail to look at the everyday and mundane to find the supernatural that lies beneath.

 

I want the desire for civility to preempt war altogether. Not a good plan to take sides. We are all together stranded on a lifeboat in space.

 

Neither - I'd rather have both settle in Peace within and without of their National borders
Everybody loses in/after Wars

 

Dope,

Yeah, well I propose that we toss the fuck-ton of OOH RAH-minded individuals over the bow of the lifeboat you speak of. Are you with me???

 

Must not of read where I wrote not a good idea to take sides, fucking tip the thing over. It appeals not so much to me to defend my space but to enjoy it, then a joyful space.

 

. . . as chaos erupts and continues around you?

And you wouldn't be taking sides. You'll simply be creating a better future space for yourself.

 

Certainly I make a choice, the choice between yes and no. To have a future different from the past we make a different choice in the present.

 

I'll share it with you, what do you say?

 

OK . . . well, if I can be the Sheriff. What do you say?

 

In the same way that the lock upon Donavon's garden gate's a snail (that's what it is), the holster on my weapons-belt has been modified to hold only words.

 

I would say no :2thumbsup:

 

Yeah but it's up to thedope, as this is not a democracy.

 

I thought they were the people that were really keen to live in Israel...like, SUPER keen. I don't know, though, is that wrong? : /

 

I would assume that you are being somewhat sarcastic but at the same time you are initially correct. Zionists are Jews who believe that it is their God given right, even destiny, to reclaim the state of Israel, including all of it's ancient boundaries as outlined by the Tanakh.

 

It was light-hearted. I've read a little about it. It just seemed like Hoppípolla knew something about it I didn't. I was hoping he would expand upon what he had already said...

Be thankful I didn't say: are they the ones that sound American...?

 

What about all that "Zion" stuff in reggae music.How does that fit in with all this?

 

Zion (Hebrew: ציון‎), also transliterated Sion, Tzion or Tsion, is a place name often used as a synonym for Jerusalem.The word is first found in Samuel II, 5:7 dating to c.630–540 BCE according to modern scholarship. It commonly referred to a specific mountain near Jerusalem (Mount Zion), on which stood a Jebusite fortress of the same name that was conquered by David and was named the City of David. The term Tzion came to designate the area of Jerusalem where the fortress stood, and later became a metonym for Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem, the city of Jerusalem and generally, the World to Come.
In Kabbalah the more esoteric reference is made to Tzion[3] being the spiritual point from which reality emerges, located in the Holy of Holies of the First, Second and Third Temple.

In the Rastafari movement, "Zion" stands for a utopian place of unity, peace and freedom, as opposed to "Babylon", the oppressing and exploiting system of the materialistic modern world and a place of evil.

It proclaims Zion, as reference to Ethiopia, the original birthplace of humankind, and from the beginning of the movement calls to repatriation to Zion, the Promised Land and Heaven on Earth.

Some Rastafari believe themselves to represent the real Children of Israel in modern times, and their goal is to repatriate to Ethiopia, or to Zion.

“ I say fly away home to Zion, fly away home...One bright morning when my work is over, man will fly away home... ”

—Rastaman Chant , The Wailers


Rastafari reggae is peppered with references to Zion; among the best-known examples are the Bob Marley songs "Zion Train", "Iron Lion Zion", the Bunny Wailer song "Rastaman" ("The Rasta come from Zion, Rastaman a Lion!"), The Melodians song "Rivers of Babylon" (based on Psalm 137, where the captivity of Babylon is contrasted with the freedom in Zion), the Bad Brains song "Leaving Babylon", the Damian Marley song featuring Nas "Road to Zion," The Abyssinians' "Forward Unto Zion" and Kiddus I's "Graduation In Zion," which is featured in the 1977 cult roots rock reggae film Rockers, and "Let's Go To Zion" by Winston Francis. Reggae groups such as Steel Pulse and Cocoa Tea also have many references to Zion in their various songs. In recent years, such references have also crossed over into pop and rock music thanks to artists like MindZion, O.A.R. "To Zion Goes I", Sublime, Lauryn Hill, Boney M. ("Rivers of Babylon"), Black Uhuru "Leaving to Zion", Fluid Minds "Zion", Dreadzone with the reggae-tinged track "Zion Youth.", P.O.D. with song "Set Your Eyes to Zion" (but P.O.D. with a Christian viewpoint: Zion referring to the spiritual kingdom of God), Trevor Hall with song "To Zion", and Australian roots reggae outfit Vindan and The Zion Band, also Alcyon Massive (a reggae/psychedelic band in Southern Oregon) wrote a song titled "Zion". The progressive rock band Rush also reference Zion/Babylon duality in the song "Digital Man" with the following lyrics: "He'd love to spend the night in Zion. He's been a long while in Babylon".

 

Interesting Odon.Thanks.Zion was also the central city of the humans in the Matrix films wasn't it?

 

I think so, and I believe the inhabitant were mostly rastafarians...