Israel's Most Powerful Weapon--The Holocaust

Denial of the Holocaust is denying a major factor in Jewish history, and the most successful genocide in history.

It is deeply offensive to anyone of Jewish heritage to deny their history. Otter made a great comparison of telling African Americans slavery wasn't that bad, or telling Native Americans that they benifited from Manifest Destiny.

It's deeply insulting to an ethnic group. Despite what you believe, the evidence is overwhelming. And Holocaust deniers are almost always driven by racial hatred.

Saying that god doesn't exist is a philosphical debate, and a stance held by billions around the world. The only people who could be hurt by saying that there is no god are people who question their own beliefs.

The two are incomparable.

If you deny the Holocaust (which denying the extent of is) you should have reliable evidence that can contradict the numbers posted by population shifts from the mid 30's to the mid 40's, the census figures for jewish populations in Europe, and find a way to contradict well kept Nazi official records of people sent to death camps.

If you had thorough reliable data to contradict the official story,
your opinion might have some merit rather then being written off. But you don't.

Your wrong about the Burden of proof. The scope of the victims of the Holocaust have gone through rigerous testing, analysis, and debate many years ago.

The Holocaust is one of the most researched chapters of human history.

If you contradict those well acepted figures with only theories of secret shadowy figures hiding the reality of the Holocaust, and no evidence to test and analyze, you will be written off, and you can't say the theroy is being silenced.

You'd only be shuned because you come off as a bigot when you try to say the Jewish didn't have it that bad with nothing to contradict the official story.

 

Firstly, thank you for your warning about my use of the term anti-Semetic. I know exactly what it means and I know exactly when I see it. And it's meaning will endure no matter how often it's used. Secondly, in regards to your post. Are you even paying attention to the subject of this thread. This thread is not about if there were other genocides or mass murders in history. The OP is claiming, with his highly anti-Semitic article, that the Jews have used their Holocaust as a tool. That of course, as stated earlier, makes him a tool. And thanks for the stats on the death of Russians. I did know that, but it's always good to rehash. What I don't hear is anyone claiming the Russians are using Stalin as a tool. Or World War II as a tool. Do you? And I also don't hear anyone using the potatoes that didn't grow in Ireland as a tool. So what's your point, exactly?

 

Earth Logic!! You must stop using Earth Logic or his head will implodey.

 

The OP is correct in what he is saying, and most people are quickly realizing this. Only naive and ignorant people are unaware of how politically beneficial use of the Holocaust was for Zionists to silence any of their critics for the genocide they have been carrying out against palestinians.

 

What I am saying is that there are alot of questions being raised by scholars who have non-politically correct views on the magnitude of the Holocaust. If these scholars are not allowed to conduct an effort to find support for their positions, then this is totalitarianism. If the evidence is there, it can and should be scrutinized NO MATTER WHAT. Otherwise, blanket censorhip or pseudo-moralistic bullying achieves nothing more that to feed the flames of Holocaust denial. In Europe, H.denial and so called revisionism is a criminal offense. This is TOTALLY absurd. You agree dont you??? In a free society such censorship is hatred of the worst kind: of the ideological variety.

 

Balbus already mentioned much debate about Israels actions, specifically in Europe. (where some speech for Holocaust deniers is restricted)

So you're op-ed about critics of foreign policy being silenced by using the Holocaust doesn't hold any traction.

 

Total non-starter and outside of the scope of the present discussion.

 

Good way to skate around the fact that your previous post had no point. I almost didn't notice. See my remarks to Rat. Debating you is not something that I am currently interested in. Anyway, I'm naive and and ignorant, so you wouldn't get anything from it anyway.

 

This entire thread pertains to silencing criticism of current Israeli politics by referring to the Holocaust.

You first post of the two above mine states that you think this is what Israel has been doing.

How is that in any sense outside the scope of present discussion?

 

I never EVER said that critics are completely silenced, I said that invoking the memory of the Holocaust has historically been an effective political weapon by Jews in order to morally shout down European pro-palestinian activists. It is only within the last 5-6 years that this tactic has started to lose its effect. Moreover, while leftist political activism against the genocide of Palestinians by Jews is not a jailable offense, Holocaust denial in Europe is. Navigate the words...

 

No, you idiot. ISRAEL. Not "the Jews."

Take some time to work on your reading comprehension skills before you leave a stain in your briefs over something that wasn't said.

And keep on being a good little sheep. BAH! BAH! "You're an anti-semite." BAH!! BAH!!

I'd rather be an anti-semite than a neocon that thinks Arabs are subhuman scum.

 

I never ever implied you said they were compleyely silenced. Navigate the words.

Theres no point arguing semantics.

What is your position anyway? You're being intentionally vauge on it.

I've already stated my position that no Holocaust denier should be censored, and that the Holocaust is very clear and well documented history.

You've made your point on censorship clear but on the Holocaust you're vauge and use double speak.

Please clarify it for me.

 

The Holocaust certainly happened. The exact numbers have ranged between 2.5-10 million. Millions and millions of non-Jews were killed to and it is HIGHLY insulting to their memories to minimalize their deaths as the mainstream currently does. Were the nazis evil? You better fucking believe it. Did zionist jews colloborate with the nazis? jewsagainstzionism.com says so. They are jews, and have clear documentation. Was National Socialism as an economic system efficient? Yes. You had better believe it. Japan has a national socialist type of government (aka managed capitalism). The tension between supporters of the status quo and current revisionists can only be reconciled by a scientific investigation. Jews are adamantly opposed to this, and this is the MAIN PROBLEM. Facts are facts. Truth is truth. Why are they so afraid? Its highly distressing to many of us whose interest in this has piqued over the last 5-10 years. The Holocaust is certainly not a singular event. It would be vile and racist to come to this conclusion. Millions of blacks died in the process of transporting them from africa to Brazil where they became slaves. Their memory is eternal. Tens of millions died at the hands of atheistic non-Russian bolsheviks. Their memory is eternal. Tens of millions perished at the hands of Mao's willing executioners. Their memories are eternal. 1.5 million lives Armenians exterminated by the Turks (who consulted with Jews on how to suppress any investigation into this genocide)... It is extremely important to look at genocide of any kind in context.

 

Well certainly the Holocaust wasn't the only genocide in human history.
It was the most methodic.

Right now there is Darfur Sudan and the Democratic Republic of Congo.

Cote d'Ivorie is close to being a genocide too. All these are despicable aspects of human history. Our foreign policy over the next
century should be ensuring things like this will never happen again.

Theres absoltuly nothing wrong with studying every one of these events, and any deniers should never be censored. I do question the motives of anyone who could deny the extent to which genocide has hurt humanity.

 

By saying that it was the most methodic (which is your opinion) you insult and trivialize other Holocausts of history. Understand this.

 

Actually, it's a valid mistake.
Israel IS the Jews. I understand we are discussing the country, but people of the faith and descent are considered Israel/Children of Israel.

Part of the perk of being G*d's Chosen.

I also recently learned that neo-con is a Jewish slander? I didn't know that.

 

It was the most methodic.

Every other genocide, the Janjaweed in Sudan, the Interahamwe in Rwanda, Tutsi and Hutu alligned militas in the DRC.

All of these genocides were largely commited by militas, although the governments of these countries refused to take control of them.

The Cambodian genocides in Cambodia and Vietnam and the Armenian gencodies in Turkey were carried out by the governments.

Even so, they didn't have nearly as efficiently brutal method of gathering up and exterminating all of an ethnic groups as the Nazi's did to the Jews and Polish. Well over 60% of the Jews in Nazi occupied territory were killed. They were rounded up at every corner of Nazi controlled territory in the 40's, and moved to large extermination camps to be killed in the most efficient means.

Saying this is the most methodic way of killing large amount of an ethinic isn't much of an opinion.

I'm certainly not underplaying any other genocide. I'm more concerned with. And I'm sure as fuck not going to listen to someone off the internet who says I am because they don't like my choice of words. If you anything more relevant to provide you wouldn't be sitting around arguing semantics with everyone in this thread.

I'm much more concerned with the present genocide in Sudan than historical genocides.

 

well.... all of the most prominent neo-con intellectuals are jewish. That's a fact. Jewish neocons even boast about it the "national review".

 

I guess it depends on the context in which you use the word then. If what you are saying is true (which I am sure it is), that would explain why it's a "slander".

 

Could you please show me where? (I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just curious)