It HAS sideaffects

Now lookit.What I'm trying to say is, If you're having a REAL bad attack, you just can't seem to calm yourself.Noone is able to talk you down.Go ahead and have some beer.It works every time.Have you ever noticed when someone gets WAAYYY to drunk and pick a fight with the largest tattooed neanderthal at the bar?It's kinda like that.But I'm not saying to get smashed.Just One or two.It'll get rid of the nerves and restore your equilibrium.I agree you can get real stupid doing both pot and beer.But that's if you had too dam much.Just a few till you feel ok.

 

MY freind also reacts to pot in a similar way. It actually just strated happening to him a few weeks ago, but when ever he smokes, he gets huge axiety attacks and complains about seeing purple fuzz. It's not the pot though, but really just the way his body chemsitry is stuctured. In general though, this specific side effect wouldn't happen to the average person, but not all are as lucky as you and I.

 

Stoner Bill, first of all may I compliment you on your choice of such a lackluster username.Come on.It's a hippy freakin site.Isn't that a bit of an obvious choice?

Now...to my point...

Stoner Bill,You incorrigible pillock.You absolutely intolerable troglodyte.When the fuck did I DENOUNCE weed?You really should learn to put away your coloring books and read more of the newspaper than just the pictures.If you were reading on more than a preschool level you might have noticed that I said I have smoked my share of the stuff and light up whenever I gat the cance.I also believe that I posted above this that I had no problem with the mellow herb.Stop twisting my words around shitball!I promote alchohol freely...usually.Did I say that everyone should get smashed?No I did not.I said a few beers can work well to assuage(sorry bill, That means to make it all better)a nasty anxiety attack in it's first appearance.Would you like to have some new smokers over at your mommies house and than they freak out and want to go to the hospital?What do you think would happen then?Oh sure.The pigs wouldn't come in asking where the kids got the stuff.The pigs certainly wouldn't come to your box under the bridge WHEN the kids told them...GOD SAVE THIS IDIOT!!!You feed them a beer or two to calm them down.You should know this if you're any kind of head at all.But you don't.You must be some kind of poser.Read my posts and get it right before you try to say anything about what I wrote.

And your book is full of shit about add/adhd, CIAO!

 

You and Geckopelli both had better get a few more years under your belts before you claim to be on my level.I've seen way too much.I know way too much.Tell ya what.Once the soured breastmilk on your lips has dried a bit and you can get out of school for awhile you can talk with me.I'll teach you everything you need to know.

Until you're done riding that bus though, zip it.I'm an old guy with grey hair and I know what's happening.My uncle was a first generation beatnik.He saw this whole trend come in.I was fortunate to garner from that experience.I want you kids to know what you're doing.I don't want you guys to go through the hells that I went through.Smoke your damn heads off if you like.But listen to Rabid.I know what it's about.

 

Ok, red bar-CHETT-a(excellent tune b.t.w)You are right about one thing.Everyone's chemistry IS different.And to add to that it's constantly changing as you get older.That's where your "streak"regrettably has come to a very immature ending.

I do have an anxiety disorder.However you simply saying that pot should make them go away is little cosolation when you're having an attack.Have you tried telling someone that's having one"Hey like dude, you should be like...calm.You just like...smoked some weed"Have you ever tried telling a bumble bee that it can't technically fly?(they're not supposed to be able to)

Marajuana tends to magnify emotions that you're feeling at the time.Although I've never had it escalate feelings of anger.If you're scared of something it can...CAN...really run away with you.Like acid(ever try it?)If you're happy you can get downright elated.Pot is not however the instant all mellowing agent that you think.I really want you guys to be prepared and I'm giving you knowledge on this subject.You can either absorb it or you can be caught unawares.

 

I read your thread primus.I've had the racing heart.It's phsycological and harmless.But it's scary as hell isn't it?If your comfortable not smoking than by all means don't.I wouldn't suggest however that you move to the crystal.I've seen dudes go down hard on that shit.Wrecked and wasted.The ecstacy I'd aviod too.Always natural shit.If you ever get the chance to, go to brazil and mexico and chew some coca leaves with the tribesmen.A bit of lime helps you to metabolize it better.But if your in doubt at all about the condition of your heart I wouldn't even do that.I bet you're going to go ahead and do what you want anyhow, but I'd advise against any speeders or any other heavy stimulants.And by the way.Even if you're heart is fine, you can be scared to death.Did you know that?It's true.You can get so scared and so full of adrenaline(already coursing through your system when amped up)That you can die of a coronary.Don't fuck with those chems man.Do you really trust a second rate rogue chemist with your brain?I wouldn't.It's too easy for them to fuck the batch.Know what happens if they fuck it?They get their ass beat(maybe killed)and then the guys sell it anyhow.Already there's people that'll sell you stuff that LOOKS like what you want but could really be anything.Be careful man.You sound reasonable enough and this is good learning for you.You shouldn't let it be wasted.


Stick with buds, beer, and shrooms.The holy trinity

 

Hey man. I totally respect your opinion, and I know where you're coming from, but you must admit that anything that increases heart rate or neurotransmission chemical imbalances - I.E. the rate and amount at which dopamine or acetylcholine etc. are fired across synapses - will invariably cause panic attacks at certain points in your usage, especially if you're binging and not using proper moderation. Alcohol does the same as does Marijuana in terms of panic attacks, because of the same type of neurotransmission imbalances. But, honestly, if you're going to choose it would have to be Marijuana if you're looking for all-around safety. Alcohol actually causes a shrinkage of the structure of the brain. Because of the excessive amounts of beta endorphines in the hypothalamus (nervous system portion that controls autonomic function) the risk of massive seizure and/or stroke is actually very high. Because alcohol is water soluable and not fat soluable like Marijuana, you also lose incredible amounts of vitamin B12, C10, and B1. Although, this could be fixed with a mutlivitamin dosage, I suppose.

Doing any of these drugs in moderation is fine, but my point is this A:combining alcohol and Cannabis is a very bad idea in several different ways and B:if your're going to give advice to others, first find backing behind your statements through neurology not through opinion and 'personal experience'. Age has nothing to do with this, if I am more extensively versed in neurology than a man with "gray hair", then I am more extensively versed, that's simply all there is to it.

Moral here is, moderation, moderation, moderation... oh, and use some freakin' brains and don't combine depressants, please!

 

dear rancid rabid the repulsive retired reptile rapist,

you said you felt like you were ahving a heart attack. in a thread about panic attacks and sideaffects, is it not more reasonable to assume you are inferring that a heart attack is a possible sideaffect than to assume you were jsut saying it for the sake of elabourating on your paranoia?

hear a guy out? i read your post. sorry if i coulndt hear you if thats what you meant.

sorry if your constipated, i cant help it man.

my post about you denouncing weed and premoting alchohol was said in jest, if you read more stuff on this forum youd prolly get that.

and anyway dont tell me the book is wrong, ive read many cases on this very forum in fact, of people smoking weed to help their add/adhd.

its ok, as long as you come to the realisation that you ARE getting old and ARE suffering from dementia.

im sorry that you and all your friends are such old pusswinkles too that you get paranoid all the time, you dont need to smoke weed youknow. its not for everyone. your an old man apparently, you should have learnt that by now. most people who have anxiety disorders stop smoking weed. you have an anxiety disorder (and a temper disorder) so your advice is: smoke weed, but drink beer as well?


if the point of your post was to give people your experience of growing older and getting anxiety, then jsut say that in teh first place.

i would have thought if your so much smarter than me (which is obviosuly evident due to your superior typing) that you would not stoop to judging my clumsy typing, nor make that vague statement about my screen name. im not bragging because i know there are many very intelligent people around here but id like to point out that the probability is very high that i am much smarter than you were when twice my age. your posts have shown little to no signs of particular intelligence yourself, beside your evident experience of grey hairship.

and my screen name is simple, relevant, and asthetically balanced. i think youd find yourself in the cold if you tried to argue that "rabid" is better.

see waht youve done youve made me stoop to your level.

your one of those people who jsut doesnt get along in these forums, so change your attitude or take your hot headed, assumptuous, judgemental ass outta here. caus arguing with you is like arguing with an annoying version of geck with five more mouths (hands), the impression of never being a member of a forum before, and a great big bag of insults over your sholder.

so go suck your toy-boys dick and have a nice day, but dont forget to clean your underwear

 

Tell ya what guys,

I'm here, get used to it.There's nothing you're going to do to stop it...

Now, I'll be the first to agree that maybe shit got off on the wrong foot.What I'm trying to do is give you children a bit of something to make an educated opinion from.Anything I say to you can be either tossed or you can gain from it.The grey hair I have are from life.I've screwed up, I've come out smiling.

I guess I just want to say I've seen a few things that work.Some of them, like drinking a beer to relieve an anxiety attack, are sort of a last ditch effort.You don't want to make a habit of mixing anything.

Now as to the post which states don't mix depressants, at the end of it.

Alchohol is indeed a depressant.Marajuana however is not.It's a cannabinoid.It doesn't act as a depressant though the effects of either can easily be confused.

Now,how about if we conduct this thread in a civillized manner.With you knowing that I am not here to rain on anybodies parade.I'll have no more hostility in this part.If you can make an intelligent argument let's debate your point.I'm sick of this username and I'd like to think I might shed it someday.It's not going easily when I seem to be antagonized for relating something that happened to me.I don't want to be made an enemy of the state for suggesting a remedy to a predicament.

Drinking some alchohol in the duration of a pot induced anxiety attack is simply a last ditch effort at saving yourself from temporary insanity.By no means should you drive if you've just been through a good one.By no means is it a good thing to be waffled when you're also baked.

The most it would be is a life preserver in very choppy waters.But it works every time.You can listen to me about this or you can ignore my posts from now on.In fact if you're going to be so juvenile about this than I'd prefer you did ignore me.

 

Rabid ur a bit weird, all the effects of weed your body seems to go against like a retarded spasm or something "first you feel pins and needles" - wtf there not pins and needles thats the fucking best sensation ever! i think you just cant handle the effects, shame, But hardly any1 is like that unless they smoke loads or are just incapable of self control or have a fear of loosing control. An experienced smoker could control how and where thier high goes and should also know there limits...people like to go beyond a limit that will sometimes make people scared, I was scared wen i first got really stoned but i kept calm and found a "path" through it and eventually could controll it and fucking hell thats a good experience ... no fucking beer needed. People have a naturally built in limit that is safe for them to go to for example how fast people can race, if people go faster the mind cannot function beyond its limit in the normal fashion and "the train de-rails" so to speak. Only finding your limits can you go beyond them... to find the right path this takes practice and is basically enlightenment (as far as i know) to get to this stage.

 

Rabid, you are a wise, wise man.

Much peace.

 

Rabid, u are a strange, strange man
lol

 

Personally I think drinking is overrated. It only makes me feel like shit if I drink more than two or three. I have had my feelings run away with me while high, but it was always temporary and after a little self analyses all was good. If a beer helps someone else then so be it. No one said to down a keg. The whole idea here is to let everyone find there own path and make there own decisions right. So smile, light up, and make someone else happy along the way.

 

Hay everybody! I havn't been here in a while but I had to reply on this because it's so damn stupid.
I won't even bother making fun of you for using the word "sideaffect" wrong (which by the way isn't even a word) but I will say... Yah you may have panic attacks, and as intense as they may be you aren't going to have a heart attack. In fact, don't even bother insulting your own intelligence by checking for blue fingernails... blue fingernails? goddamn. Secondly, yes a few beers may help to calm you down in the case of the rare panic attack, However if you feel you're at the point where you need a six pack for mental comfort before you toke then don't smoke pot. you're not psychologically mature enough.
So for the most part I'll agree with geck. These aren't side effects, they are simply an inability to process the mental changes. A side effect would be if toking made my pubes fall out or something. Goddamn this shit happened to me in my newbie days of grade 9 and although I'm still new to pot in comparison to a lot of the guys here I like to feel I'm passed all this paranoia bullshit I keep reading about here..
Thanks!