It's WAR in the Middle East!

This operation was planned months ago.

Last minute appeal is just a last ditch effort to justify their genocide.

Israel hates in increments, or hasn't anybody else noticed this trend?



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I expect that if Hamas publicly and openly stated that they would recognize Israel and make an effort to reign in the militias and stop the daily rocket attacks, that alone would have postponed the military actions of Israel.

Oh, and I do think Israel had planned the operation for months. Somewhere the they got the idea that the truce would not be extended. I think it was their ability to read!

PFLP rejects extending Gaza ceasefire unilaterally by Hamas
www.chinaview.cn 2008-10-20 19:00:34 Print

GAZA, Oct. 20 (Xinhua) -- The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) on Monday said current ceasefire in the Gaza Strip should not be extended by a single Palestinian movement, referring to Islamic Hamas movement.

The remarks came as the Egyptian-brokered six-month ceasefire between Hamas and Israel will end in December.

"The PFLP calls for discussing this issue (the extension) in the framework of the Palestinian factions to get the lesson of the current lull which Israel works to turn it into own victory," said PFLP top official in Gaza, Kayed al-Ghoul.

The factions criticized Hamas, which controls the Gaza Strip, for accepting and imposing the ceasefire without enough consultations with the rest of the armed groups.

The deal was designated to ease sanctions Israel imposed on Gaza after Hamas seized power there in 2007. However, Hamas itself said Israel did not allow free flow of cargo into the coastal Strip despite the ceasing of cross-border violence.

The ceasefire deal "did not achieve any interest for our people and it was proved that the lull virtually serve the Israeli government more than the Palestinian people," al-Ghoul went on.

 

You miss the point.

Israel doesn't deserve recognition. It's a racist apartheid state that needs to be deconstructed and put back together as a new nation for ALL people.

Until it does, the world should isolate Israel through embago and boycott.

If it's good enough for Iran, it's good enough for Israel.

Both threaten to export their brand of revolution to the rest of the world. With Israel being aligned with the US, Israel is far ahead of the game. Zionism permeates the Middle East, and most of the West.

Thanks largely to the protection the US affords Israel.

The US involvement in this mess cannot be overlooked.

Israel agents in our government need to be rooted out and shipped out.

Let them go live in Israel. Fight your own wars from now on.




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Xenon...I find your comments disingenuous.

You say that Israel planned the attack months ahead, yet fail to acknowledge that months ahead Palestinians indicated that any extension of the cease fire was unlikely. Any prudent government would prepare for a resumption of hostilities following a statement from The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine that Hamas has no authority to make deals with Israel on behalf of the other armed militias in the area.

Secondly, you stated "I said ONE Israel, for ALL who inhabit it.
Its got nothing to do with Jews or Muslims or anybody else, unless you make it so."

You have stated that religion must be left out of the equation but we are not working within a vacuum here. The area is dominated by 2 faiths. Jews and Muslims. Where in the Arab world is a plurality of faiths presently encouraged or even accepted?

In your opinion: Do the Jews have a right to live peacefully within this newly formed state? Do you recognize that they have native rights (similar to those granted to native and aboriginal peoples in North America) which need to be protected? Do you think you could protect the rights of Jewish people within a Muslim dominated Israel?

I think your personal wish would be for all of Israel to be rid totally of Jews. In light of the fact that you believe Jews conspire to control of the entire planet and blame them for all that is bad in this world, I dare say you would like to see the planet rid of the Jews too.

 

Jaycola, you really shouldn't waste your breath on Xexon, he's an anti-semite, and he will only reply with half truths, empty rhetoric, and racist links to whatever valid points you make.

In other news, into Gaza we go.

 

You know what, I will be the first one cheering Israel if it hunts down and finishes off Hamas without indiscriminately bombing civilians...
Hamas has become very dangerous not just to Israel but to the whole region, lets see how Iran will come to their aid as they are reportedly have become buddies (Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran)

 

Please watch:
http://sderot.aish.com/SderotPetitions/15Seconds.php
Israel has tried to "sit and talk" for over 7 years, nothing has helped to promote peace. Hamas doesn't want peace. Hamas is a terror organization, they are who responsible for the humanitarian problems in Gaza. 7 days after the Israeli attack started, Hamas is still shooting rockets at Israel (80 rockets yesterday only!). How did they get it and why do they have so many rockets?
Hamas is taking advantage of the children in Gaza! They trick you to think Israel tries to hurt children, Hamas wants your support against Israel! Hamas uses Gaza's people as human shields! If you want peace, rise against Hamas and support Israel! Israel's target is Hamas only, Hamas's target is Israeli people. Israel has restrained itself for 7 years-but not more! Hamas broke the ceasefire first, so it's time to react against the terror!
Remember that Israel, on the other hand, tries to support its citizens in south Israel and this war is for every tear of every Israeli child for the last 7 years.

 

I did say ALL.

Stop making this a religious issue. It's NOT religion thats causing the root problem in the area. It's secular zionism. Radical secular zionism.

We had similar problems along this line years ago. The Mormons tried to carve out a piece of the US to call their own. They had to be put down. Now everybody can still practice their faith, but we don't call ourselves Mormon Americans or Islamic Americams. Just Americans.

If we can do it, so can Israel.

One land. One people.

The two party solution is a smokescreen that allows ethnic cleansing to continue while people "think" about it. This is why the Palestinians didn't renew the cease fire. They're still getting abused by Israel even with it intact. This would not change even with a legal two state nation.

As for Jews getting native rights, thats a ridiculous idea because very few modern Jews have any claim to the land other than by religion. They NOT from Israel to begin with. Modern Jews are a totally different bloodline than biblical Jews. They're native to Russia and eastern Europe for the most part. They're not even semites. They're remnants of the Khazarian kingdom.



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Trading one brand of hatred for another will not eliminate hatred.

Neither will accepting an anti-Zionist racist's brand of hate mongering eliminate hatred. Rather will only propagate it till its poison has destroyed everyone drinking in ...

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Xenon...Now I understand your position. The Jewish people have no claim on any land within Israel because some portion of their ancestors are not from Israel. Even if you accept that many Israelis are indeed native to the area, none have any native rights?

"According to official Arab statistics, 856,000 Jews left their homes in Arab countries from 1948 until the early 1970s."

"By 1951, the United Nations (UN) estimated 711,000 Palestinian refugees existed outside Israel"

It sounds like a lot of Arab countries rid themselves of their Jewish population due to the creation of Israel. Do you think the countries below will welcome back their native Jewish populations?

How is it that after 60 years the population of Palestinian refugees has risen from 771,000 to over 4.25 Million yet they are still classified as refugees within the Arab nations that they find themselves in?

Why have these Arab nations not welcomed them as part of their populations? Why do they keep them separate in refugee camps? Why do they not issue them passports so they can participate fully in national life?

The reason is that for decades the Arab world has used the Palestinian people as pawns for their true goal of ridding the Middle east of the Jewish people.

Aden 8,000
Algeria 140,000
Bahrain 550-600
Egypt 75,000
Iraq 135,000
Lebanon 100,000
Libya 35,000
Morocco 250,000
Syria 30,000
Tunisia 105,000
Yemen 45,000
Afghanistan 5,000
Iran 150,000
Pakistan 2,000
Turkey 80,000

 

Really?

You know how siblings pit their parents against each other by saying "he/she started first?"

Of course there is unreasonable violence on both sides, but the fact remains that Israel has been an expanding state up to present. So the question to me is not who started it or who's right or wrong...that cannot be resolved.

But which state is benefiting materially from the conflict?

I still have not had a pro-Israel person tell me why they think settlements are justified. The debate usually hinges on the fruitless question of whether a certain attack or counterattack is justified...or whether said attack or counterattack was disproportionate to what provoked it.

My question is one only: How are expansionist settlements justified by anything other than hegemonic designs?
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Finally, I feel little is so relevant to the current discussion as economic conditions. Israel can evacuate this settlement or that, while Hamas stops launching rockets for this duration or that...

But conflicts in general persist until the material origins of it are addressed. So, to me, the ideological aspect of the conflict is cosmetic.

 

The table of nations in Genesis 10 begins by listing Noah's immediate children:

• Ham, forefather of the southern peoples (Hamitic Africa)
• Shem, forefather of the middle peoples (Semitic)
• Japheth, forefather of the northern peoples (Japhetic Eurasia)

The names of the Eponyms or children have meanings in the Hebrew language. Ham means "warm".[1] Shem merely means "name" or "renown", "prosperity".[2] Japeth means "open".[3]
It then proceeds to detail their descendants.
The first generation of descendants is given as:

• The sons of Japheth: Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech and Tiras.
• The sons of Ham: Cush, Mizraim, Put, and Canaan.
• The sons of Shem: Elam, Asshur, Arpachshad, Lud and Aram.

The identification of several of the first generation is aided by the inclusion of the second, although several of their identifications are less certain. (The copy of the table in the biblical book of 1 Chronicles chapter 1 has occasional variations in the second generation, most likely caused by the similarity of Hebrew letters such as Resh and Daleth). Forms ending in -im are plurals, probably indicating names of peoples, and not intended as the name of a single person.

 

Wrong. They ended their occupation of the Sinai, of northern lebanon, and they removed all settlements from Gaza. So why are the rockets coming from Gaza?

 

Because Hamas is a violent political party with propaganda aimed at provoking Israeli bloodshed.

 

Again, I'm not talking about isolated instances. I'm talking about Israel's malleable borders since its inception.

 

Yeah.

 

In order to understand that you need to ignore cheap conspiracy theories and unfounded talks of 'zionism', 'expansionism' etc. Reality is rarely so simplistic.
Israel is a democracy and as such it has to cater to the votes of some very delusional people. There is about 20% of the population who believes in a very distorted so called "Jewish" worship of the land of Israel as a Holy Land. They cast their votes to the right wing parties and the ultra orthodox parties (which in themselves are dishonest as ultra orthodox Jews should ban the secular state of Israel) . There is no single party with enough votes to form a government, therefore any of the big parties will need either the ultra orthodox or the extreme right to form a government. This is why it is very difficult for the government to get rid of the settlements. In fact I would estimate that the average Israeli hates the settlers just as much as they hate the Arabs

 

I respectably disagree .
I think this blog entry explains it up nicely

 

I was aware of that. Thanks.

But Israel's demographic policy is bigoted so,,,a jewish state will be a jewish state. It's not like Israel discourages Russian yokels from entering the country.

Those guys get almost automatic visas to Coney Island.

 

I respectfully decline to read it. It's too obscure.

I haven't finished my Gogol yet.