It's WAR in the Middle East!

Yes, Rubin, I know you are blinded by nationalism and cannot see -- do not want to see -- things as they really are.

Israel only wants peace, right??

HA!

 

While you took too much acid as a teenager and let it all get to your head.

But let us leave it at that. That is not the subject of the thread.

 

Tell me, if Canada was firing rockets on your home in Rochester, New York what would you want done?

 

He'd just move to his parents' summer home in Connecticut.

 

That is a stupid comparison, as Canada and the US are connected at the hip and ultimately run by the same people at the top. But if a small group of extremists attacked "my" country, and I was to believe what I heard in the controlled media, I still wouldn't want "my" country to indiscriminately attack the attacking country because of what a few people have done, especially when that country (I am not referring to any particular country here) doesn't have a fraction of the defense force the other country does, and no air power to speak of.

When Israel launches one of their attacks, are they killing the "terrorists"? Maybe, but more than likely not. They are just killing a lot of innocent people who had nothing to do with the rockets being launched. All this does is create more animosity and more hate against Israel, which has been brutalizing Palestinians for more than 60 years. But the media has done such a good job of dehumanizing the Western population that many of us see these Arab-Muslim people as merely parasites and animals. Nobody wants to look at both sides of the issue.

 

Well, this in itself is just a continuing conflict, but I agree on the notion that it could spawn a new war very easily.

It is somewhat up to Iran when Hizbollah attacks, for Tehran does supply them with pretty much everything they have, yet you should never underestimate the fanaticism of the Hizzbollah. They could attack too early and have done so in the past. Their communication system was heavily damaged in the last Lebanon war and no one knows if they'll simply decide to pull the trigger.

I really do hope that it holds them off, but at the same time, I do not want to see Iran fortified.

I honestly do not think that Bush is worried about his approval rating or about staying in power at this point. The U.S. simply cannot change its policy in the Middle East, no matter who is president. You would have expected an attack on U.S. soil sooner if Bush was truly determined to declare martial law or such a thing.

Well, you cannot really support the fact that the Russians themselves are in Syria, but they sure do sell them weapons. I do not know if Syria is in possession of nuclear weapons, but it wouldn't surprise me too much. Yet, I still do not think that any of them are dumb enough to simply launch a nuclear strike against Israel, because that would pretty much indicate the end of the world as we know it... and we both know that the Israel and US will nuke anyone unconditionally if this ever happens.

What a silly world we live in.

 

I couldn't disagree more. The United States simply cannot change its foreign policy in the course of a single administration. You are way too tied up in Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Iran to be able to change it. Obama will be forced to go to war with Iran if something happens. No matter how liberal he and his administration are. There is way too much external influence and the U.S. are already in too deep. There will not be another terror attack, and even if there is one, Bush will still give his presidency up to Obama. You can take my word for it.

The last war that the U.S. won was the last just war the country was involved in... WWII, and they paid a price for that victory.

My facts are straight. I know that the fleet was docked at Syria, and I am well aware of the Russian arms sales to Syria. Russia will sell arms to anyone who is willing to buy them, yet I doubt that Russia is willing to get so directly involved in this conflict. It does not profit from getting directly involved, and all this new Mafia-driven corrupt Russia really wants is more money and power. Getting so directly involved in this conflict will give the U.S. and the Western world a much needed reason to attack Russia.

Anyhow, I really don't like the way things are shaping up. I do not know for certain if the Russian nuclear fleet is still there, even though the two counties have a strong naval cooperation and Russia does have naval bases in Syria. Russia is never good news.

 

So you think that Israel should just ignore the rockets being fired at it?

 

Russia really is willing to give guns to anyone who will let them have some influence, i.e. they're selling arms to Syria, but last week in the news they announced they're giving 10 fighter jets to Lebanon to increase the capabilities of their military, they're even paying for the transport costs, isn't Russia nice

 

This article gives me more hope than anything, as it states that the Russians are not giving the Syrians their top missile technology and are instead opting to keep it themselves in order to protect their ports.

It is still rather disturbing, especially with that long list of arms sales, yet it's nothing new or surprising.

I sure do hope that an Israeli rocket doesn't accidentally hit a Russia naval base.

 

Most of the violence Israel receives is instigated or indirectly initiated by Israel itself. But don't expect the media to talk about that. No, instead they must always tell us how Israel are the innocent victims and that they only want peace with their Muslim neighbors.

 

So when is this gonna end?
Its been over 60 years now.

 

Can we have a rest from your narrative for a couple of days?
I almost don't miss you to be honest.

 

Nothing new there, its round 987641231..
Its really like a rehearsed play.
And here is an interesting article pertaining to the upcoming Israeli elections and the current clashes http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3622993,00.html

 

That's a very logical argument, especially since it has been done before.

Sharon was elected because of very similar circumstances, increased violence makes the public panic.

I don't want Bibi as president, he has already failed once... but at the same time, it's impossible to negotiate with terrorists, so a completely militaristic mindset cannot possibly be ruled out.

All in all, Bibi has the advantage because Kadima is a young and barely tested party, overshadowed by Olmert's corruption and lack of skill as a leader. No one in the public sees Livni as a strong leader either.

 

So you're saying Israel started this by fireing rockets at them first. How many years ago?

 

No, I am referring to Israel's ongoing provocation that is the unrelenting abuse of the Muslim and Palestinian people. You don't hear about Israel's treatment of the Palestinians in the news, you only hear about the Palestinians' treatment of Israel. And I am certainly NOT defending the Palestinians or Muslim extremists, because any form of radicalism -- religious or otherwise -- is a bad thing in my eyes. But anyone who knows what's REALLY going on, other than the tripe the media dishes out 24/7, knows who has the ultimate power and motive of the two sides fighting.

I have studied and understand the true history of Israel and the purpose of its existence. Most people haven't a clue.