Jesus was a man, no clear evidence whether he lived or not. With a clear mind I cannot say for certain either way. But the fact his disciples died in horrible circumstances due to their faith in that man, I believe he did indeed live. I do not believe anyone here has claimed Jesus was a 'God', rather he was in total harmony with God. ie, my father and I are one.
Im pretty sure there is alot of evidence that Jesus lived. He was well known people wrote about him etc whether he was God or not is debatable - I think he was just a man but a good one nonetheless.
LOL - There's absolutely NO physical evidence that Jesus ever existed. If you took it to a court of law they'd throw the case out ! And the Bible doesn't count. It's been proven that the Bible has been written and re-written to suit the politics of the times.
This statement would also be thrown out of court, there is no evidence he did not exist. Most people here are open minded about his existance. Your the one saying he definitely did not exist. The circumstantial evidence indicates he did indeed live. Most historians believe he existed. Your belief that he did not exist is probably based on prejudice rather than a rational open mind.
ON HOLGER KERSTEN Holger Kersten: "It is simply of vital importance to find again the path to the sources, to the eternal and central truths of Christ's message, which has been shaken almost beyond recognition by the profane ambitions of more or less secular institutions arrogating to themselves a religious authority. This is an attempt to open a way to a new future, firmly founded in the true spiritual and religious sources of the past". http://www.sol.com.au/kor/7_01.htm
Jesus Lived in India: His Unknown Life Before and After the Crucifixion by Holger Kersten (Author) http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Lived-India-Before-Crucifixion/dp/1852305509
A question: What difference would it make if he had lived in India? If christians accepted that he did, it would demolish their whole religion.
You can't prove that something existed by assuming that it didn't exist. And the people who you say are "open minded" enough to believe that jesus actually existed are either too scared to say he didn't or haven't done their homework. Do your reasearch and you'll see that Jesus is just a re-telling of hundreds of other "gods" in just as many other religions
I think Niranjan just wants us to accept that all truth and knowledge has it's origin in India. That if it wasn't for indo culture we in the west would still be living in caves and mud huts.
You did not understand what I wrote. Re-read it. I never said Jesus 100% existed. I said he probably did. You said 100% he did not exist. I was saying you cannot prove this. Parts of it are. But there is clear evidence that his disciples did indeed live. And that they also were crucified or stoned etc. Would these people go to this length to defend a man who was made up. I neither believe or disbelieve he lived. We have no conclusive evidence either way. You are just as fundamental in your judgement as Niranjan. Yours is just a theory like his. Neither of you can produce conclusive evidence for your beliefs. Maybe Jesus lived, but his story got altered and additions made to the telling of it. All we have is maybe's at present.
Want to know what my solution would be? Put the past in the past - and christianity belongs to the past. We need to move on. India has no mononpoly on the spiritual. The existence or non existence of Jesus can't be proven either way. If ceratin parties want to believe that Jesus lived in India to further their indocentric bias or cultural conservatism, let them. Most people with common sense will regard them as cranks. Same with christian believers - all they're doing is deluding themselves with nonsense about a vengeful god, salvation through blood etc, and they are almost universally hypocrites. Let's just get beyond all this stuff - it hasn't helped the world much in the past, and in the future can only lead to repitition of all the terrible things that have happened in the past as a result of these foolish competing belief systems. When will people realize that you don't need a man nailed to a treee to be good and well intentioned person - far less to believe that this man once lived in India.
Thanks. You are clearly a forward looking person like me. Even if the way forward isn't always exactly clear, we have to somehow try to push....................sorry if I'm seeming a bit incoherent tonight, I'm in the middle of something which I'll tell you all about once things are resolved. Any good wishes would be appreciated though - as my good wishes go to all my friends on these forums.
Well I believe it's no use blindly following non-sense and falsehoods. Where Jesus lived or orginated is of no value. I know Niranjan will say it is. But I cannot see a valid reason why. I can see how it will bolster the indocentric ego, but will it make people more compassionate, suffer less? The Buddha came from India, I still see a billion people suffering. All that matters is whether what he taught was true or not. If it was, then that is what will create compassion, and less suffering. People say blind faith is a virtue, I am not so sure. Was it of benefit when people had faith in Zeus, human and animal sacrifice. Thats why I respect the Buddha, he never said to accept his teachings on faith, but to examine and try whether they were true or not.
OK - I feel strongly that love and compassion are all that really matter. Niranajan wants to have his trip - so ok, lets allow that. But let's not be fooled either.