Yes, and thats why you keep coming back again and again and again and.......................................
Niranjan... I looked at your Tomb of Jesus website. The lost tribes of Israel? Really? That's the number one way you can usually tell pseudoarchaeology. Everyone has claimed they've found the lost tribes of Israel. Apparently they've also been in the United States as the Mississippi Moundbuilders and in the Middle East as the dreaded Sea Peoples. Like I said...be careful when it comes to frauds in archaeology. Conspiracy can trip you up.
I'd say it's on about the same level as Eric Von Daniken with his series of 'aliens visited earth' books which were in vogue a few years ago, or even stuff like the Da Vinci Code. What Niranjan doesn't get is that if there was any evidence external to Bible that Jesus definitely lived on earth, the Christians, or indeed, their enemies, would be 'shouting it from the rooftops'.
I'll add my own view, which is that in all probability, Jesus was a real historical person. He was killed because he tried to overturn the religious conventions of his day, with it's vested power interests. I think this not because of any evidence or proof, but because I doubt a religion as big as Christianity could ever have developed without there being some basis in truth to start with. Also, I expect that like everyone, I am to some extent under the cultural conditioning which was put into me as a child. Totally separate from that is the actual experience of the reality of the Christ on a spiritual or mystical level. Undoubtedly, that is a possible human experience. However, it doesn't prove that the facts of Jesus life as we have recieved them, or the version of his teaching that has come down to us, are accurate or reliable. In my view, it makes little difference, as the only thing of real value with regard to Christianity is the experience of Christ. All else is trivial and unimportant by comparison to this one thing, without which Christianity remains a 'religion' or a 'spiritual path' only on paper. Change the terminology and the same thing is true for every other religion. That's one big reason I think it is pointless and futile to speculate about whether Jesus came to Britain, America or even Timbuktu.
Ugh. Von Daniken is the epidome of peudoarchaeology. Don't even get me started. That guy was/is a nutter. We all rejoiced when they closed his theme park (yeah...he had a theme park for his "theories"). And yes, that's why people try and search out things like that...so they can shout it from the rooftops. If you happen to come over something in the archaeological record that may correlate...then fine...such as the stele from Wadi al Hol that had information that correlated with Kings in the OT. But as soon as you go searching for that kind of stuff...that's what leads to trouble ...not just because its fanaticism but also because it encourages looting and damage to the stratigrafic layers of a could be site and the archaeological record as a whole.
I have great respect for the knowledge which archaeology has made available to us these days - and it's very far from static, as I'm sure I needn't tell you. What I was taught at school back in the 60s /70's about ancient history has proved wide of the mark in many ways. Personally I find it both fascinating and intruiging. Perhaps one day, it will throw more definite light on the facts of Jesus life, but my intuition is that it won't. It's always dangerous to combine 'pseudo-science' with speculation about religion or occultism, and there are numerous crackpot theories out there to prove it. Von Daniken was a case in point - but - it is possible that aliens have been here. We just don't know.
And why don't you come to Kashmir and see for yourself . The people over there looks very much like the jews, though majority converted into islam and there are still jews over there as well. Also what do you have to say about the tomb itself in pahalgam, why didn't you mention about it.
Heres a good link. http://www.atmajyoti.org/spirwrit-the_christ_of_india.asp Also wish to say that the books mentioned in my first post is not with me, as I have given it to my friends who were interested, and I am a bit far from them at the moment , some 2000 km. I really wish I had the books with me, because there are some very good proofs in it . However when I get the books , I will indeed put the stuff in here.
I discovered that incredible treasure in 1980 when I went for an intensive at Muktananda's Ashram in South fallsburg Ny. I bought it and began reading it non-stop for two weeks and after finishing it I began again. I lost it unexplainably then it was published by Suny in one volume and I bought it again in 1995,.I must 've read it a hundred time by now. It's not a personal aproach to God, so must Vaishnavas wont accept it, but it is Shiva's highest understanding of the absolute truth given To Vasistha who later imparts it to Rama.
From Vivekananda's boigraphy by Swami Nikhilananda: "The Swami spent a few days in Naples, visiting Vesuvius, Pompeii, and other places of interest. Then the ship at last arrived from Southampton with Mr. Goodwin as one of her passengers. The Swami and his friends sailed from Naples on December 30, 1896, expecting to arrive in Colombo on January 15, 1897. On board the ship the Swami had a significant vision. One night, somewhere between Naples and Port Said, he saw in a vivid dream a venerable, bearded old man, like a rishi of India, who said: 'Observe carefully this place. You are now in the Island of Crete. This is the land where Christianity began. I am one of the Therapeutae who used to live here.' The apparition uttered another word, which the Swami could not remember. It might have been 'Essene,' a sect to which John the Baptist belonged. Both the Therapeutae and the Essenes had practised renunciation and cherished a liberal religious outlook. According to some scholars, the word Therapeutae may be derived from the Buddhist word Sthaviraputtra or theraputta, meaning the sons or disciples of the Theras, or Elders, the superiors among the Buddhist monks. The word Essene may have some relation with Isiyana, meaning the Path of the Lord, a well-known sect of Buddhist monks. It is now admitted that the Buddhists at an early time had monasteries in Asia Minor, Egypt, and generally along the eastern part of the Mediterranean. The old man in the dream concluded his statement by saying: 'The truths and ideas preached by us were presented as the teachings of Jesus. But Jesus the person was never born. Various proofs attesting this fact will be brought to light when this place is dug up.' At that moment — it was midnight — the Swami awoke and asked a sailor where the ship was; he was told that it was fifty miles off Crete." Interesting given the vehemence with which the idea that Jesus definitely lived in India has been sated here as 'proven'. Just to add - from what I've read, I wouldn't describe the attitude of the Essenes as 'liberal' - at least not by modern definitions of the word.
I have read about this as well. This is just a dream of Vivekananda, which he recorded later. It cannot be seen as a scholarly source of facts. However maybe it will be a good idea to conduct archaeological excavations in this area, just as I thought when I first read this above dream of Vivekananda , years back. However I stick with facts.
Seems you stick with the 'facts' which appeal to your own personal subjectivity. This story of Vivekananda's dream is probably not 100% accurate, but it is quite poaaible that Jesus never existed, but was invented by initiates of some kind who wanted to start a new religion for the masses.
The facts which I have put and mentioned over here are objective facts,and are not my creation. They existed centuries before I was born. Ok, if you want to think in that way, so be it. But back it with facts as well.
You haven't presented 'facts' - only speculation. Where the truth or otherwise of the story of Jesus is concerned, there are no 'facts'.
Your links are all speculative. You've proven zero other than your own inability to communicate with other in a harmonious way, and the fact that you're obsessed with irrelevant nonsense.
So the tomb in Pahalgam is speculative as well!!! And I suppose you are trying to say that your the politest snake dude on earth. And I suppose that is why you keep coming back here again and again and again....... in spite of telling again and again and again that this is your final, final, final post in this thread. :lol: