Jesus Christ

so when jesus said he is with us whenever two of us are gathered in his name...he didn't mean it? what else is a church except a community of believers?

 

i feel the same its hard to find a good church but theirs nothing wrong with just reading your bible everyday and just keeping the sabbath holy and not go to church.

 

Again, a Church is more than just Jesus being around. Does one person speaking in tongues alone make a Church? No, it is a faithful believer--even if Christ is present it does not equal a Church.

I refer you back to the criteria for the True Church.

 

Yeah, I know. Easier said than done right? For us anyway.

 

yeah, sometimes it looks way better on paper.

 

i'm just astounded at this, frankly. speechless.

 

Why is that?

 

i said i was speechless. :tongue:

 

Do you believe that a person has to belong to the True Church to be saved?

 

I feel the love of Christ now.

 

The Catholic Church has never said that Sunday was the Sabbath. The fact is that the Sabbath was replaced byu Christ's Ressurection celebration. Acts 20:7. These aren't lies. They are history.

Jesus' followers were Jewish in ethnicity (sometimes, his 12 disciples most likely were) but the rest of his followers ranged in ethnicity even to Samaritians.

Look at how Peter acted. He spoke as the head of the other 11 Apostles. Peter is clearly the authority that can diseminate God's continuing revelation. His successors inherited this.

 

The Church has the fullness of salvation through the sacraments, which deliver humanity grace from God. Being saved isn't a one time thing, it is a process.

Baptism saves people (I Peter 3:21), receiving the Holy Spirit saves people (Acts 8:14-19) saves, receiving Holy Communion saves...it is not a one time prayer, but a process to receive full salvation.

That is not to deny that loving God and striving to become holy outside of the Church are damned. It is not for the Church to say who is damned, even excommunication isn't a sentence to Hell.

 

first off Sunday is clearly the sabbath for the RRC and if its not then why are you guys open on Sundays? when even the temples are closed? when in reality sabbath starts on friday sundown and not in sunday. ( even a calender confirms that sunday is the FIRST day of the week and God speaks of keeping Saturday labor free?
right but where is Peter crowned "first pope" or " catholic?"

 

It isn't the Sabbath, it is the Lord's Day where we celebrate the new creation.

Col. 2:16-17 Paul says that the Sabbath was only a shadow of Christ, and that you should no longer judge those based on the Sabbath days. John's revelation was revealed to him on the Lord's Day (Sunday) (Rev. 1:10).

Heb. 7:12 says that Christ is our new priest, and with a new preist comes a new law (including Sunday worship).

Peter is indicated as the authority of the Church by Christ himself ("on this rock", "keys of heaven" et cetera). He also speaks on behalf of the apostles./bishops. He acts as the cheif bishop (1 Peter 5:1), he is also the person who has many unique powers (his shadow can heal people) only second to Christ.

 

But what made you speechless?

 

You seem to be a little “DOGMATIC” in your dogma.

So, if you will, let me ask you a question.

How does this love you mention work?

Let’s say you know someone who wants to commit suicide.
Is your love, live and let live or in this case, live and let die?
Is it loving to try and talk him out of it?
Is it loving to prevent him or is it loving to help him commit suicide?
If it is loving to prevent him, how far should you go, would you have him locked up, maybe force fed drugs and mentally reprogrammed?

It’s easy to say Love but I would like to know, in the real world what do you mean by it?

 

Some would say that there is only one true "church" and all other religions, including the many other splinters of the "Christian Church" are the house that can't stand.