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And when Paul corrected Peter does that make him the the teacher of the teacher of bishops and make him the rock that the rock that the "church" was founded on?

 

Peter was not speaking for anyone but himself at Mark 11:21, please try again.

 

Please explain how what I said was by any stretch of the imagination a put down?

 

What do you think the true church is?

 

That's for me to know and you to find out.

 

Everything that is hidden will be revealed.

 

Let's hope so!

If you really want to know what I think on the matter you can PM me but I'm here to discuss the Bible and what it says, not to campaign for a particular Religion.

Personally I think that anyone who uses what the Bible says and looks for the Religion that is producing the good fruitage that the Bible says, will easily find true Christianity.

 

i just want to say thank you Jesus for the


2-6

amen!!

your answered my prayers!!

 

my general feeling from you and ukr-cdn (and others who have posted here) for quite awhile has been arrogance and looking down on people. you imply or outright say that anyone who wants the answers can find them easily. and yet you two don't even agree with each other, so at least one of you does not yet have all the answers. i'm sure you both think it's the other guy. the point is that people seeking the living water probably aren't going to receive it well if it's thrown in their face. so people who are dismissive, condescending and insulting probably aren't going to do a whole lot to spread the good word. quite the opposite in fact. just a thought.

 

oldwaterbrother seems like he knows the right passage and i feel that neither have arrogance and AREN'T looking down on people.....Do you feel this because they use bible verses??? and their right anyone can find the answer in the bible easy.

They don't agree with each other because once right and they others follows a very incorrect system (RCC).

 

None of these Scriptures use the phrase apostolic succession and would have to be stretched a bit to even imply it, some of them would even have to be stretched pretty far. Even if that was not so, none of these or any other Scripture in the Bible shows that the Catholic Church would be the end result of any such “apostolic succession”.

The line of “apostolic succession” from the 1st century to the 3rd century is at best a little sketchy, let alone an easily traceable line as you suggest.

Jesuit John McKenzie, when professor of theology at Notre Dame, wrote: “Historical evidence does not exist for the entire chain of succession of church authority.”—The Roman Catholic Church (New York, 1969), p. 4.

The New Catholic Encyclopedia admits: “ . . . the scarcity of documents leaves much that is obscure about the early development of the episcopate . . . ”—(1967), Vol. I, p. 696.

I would say that if there is such a thing as “apostolic succession” it would be best determined in our day and age by using the test Jesus laid out for us: by their fruitage you will know them.

 

I just want to say that I will no longer continue my defense of CAtholiccism in this thread. If you like to continue it, I will be happy to PM with you.

I did not mean to derail this thread in that manner. My initial posts were in reply to the OP who insisted that "love" [especially towards other people] is all that Jesus asks of us. It then became a defense of only having one church, and then an apology of my view of which Church that is.

 

I understand and that is why I originally PMed you about it. If you wish you can move this discussion to another thread if you wish it to remain public or we can continue it by PM. but I agree, I also did not mean to derail this thread in this manner.

 

Christ is real and you don't need any religion or scriptures to know this.

Not saying there is absolutely no truth in religion or scriptures, but they are more designed to control people than they are to show them the way to God. Christianity is a prime example of this.

 

your right in the first part to control people but then your wrong, Jesus is the Word and the Word is the Bible their for your denialing Jesus.

 

You don't have to read the Bible to believe in Christ, just like you don't have to read the Bible to know God. In fact, many people who do hold onto religion for dear life aren't even remotely close to either.

 

Who or What is Christ in your opinion?

 

I'm Christ. You're Christ. And everyone else is Christ.

What I mean by this is we're all children of God who in our purest form are above all earthly desires. We have been conditioned by society to disregard love and pursue money and power. That pursuit is what has driven humanity so far apart in which neither side is happy nor at peace with themselves and/or others. When we let go of that pursuit and place God first as well as learn how to love ourselves and others, Earth will become the paradise it was intended to be.

 

I would agree that everyone has the potential to be like Christ. So in your opinion how do we let go of selfish pursuit and place God first? What is the criteria for knowing this has happened?

 

It's as easy as that. It's far from an easy task, but I'm not aware of any set of instructions on how to get someone to go from being society's slave to server of God. Being that we are brought up in a world where we taught you have to see something with your physical eye before you should believe it, a lot of people are doomed already. Add that to the fact many people only believe what they want to believe and immediately disregard what they don't easily comprehend and it gets worse.

I personally looked within myself for the Truth and I take in bits of information from others who can relate. It says a lot to me when someone can describe the feelings and experiences of people all over the world without even meeting them. Spirituality is real. You don't need scriptures or religion to be close to God or realize your Christ potential.