Jesus Christ

Is that the "truth" you wanted to find in yourself, just like scholars often find the "historical" Jesus that most closely resembles themselves?

 

LIKE JESUS siad " am the Word and the Word is God" the Bible is the Word so denialing the Word is going against Christ.

only God knows how close we are to Him through our hearts and like he said " let the Hypocrites pray in the open streets be cause he they will get their reward" (i believe matthew chapter 8??)so what am trying to say is that you can see a person who deep in to the Bible but they might not be as to someone who secret about it and be very close.

 

I agree with all of what you said but God said to be like "Christ" not we are Christ.

 

You see i agree with everything you said except what is Highlighted and as i said b4 Christ is the Word.

 

I didn't "want" to find anything within myself. I just refused to accept what everyone else believed just because it was popular or had a nice fairy tale ending. I was once the biggest atheist known to man. When I was a non believer, I was a true nonbeliever. You wouldn't catch me dead on a religious forum so just the fact nonbelievers are here lets me know they aren't as much nonbelievers as they are lost people desperately seeking to be found. At the same time, I personally don't feel it's my job to stress to you what you don't understand. People in tune with their spirituality know exactly what I mean when I say I found the Truth within myself. The problem with nonbelievers is they are constantly seeking the Truth or Love outside themselves when it is impossible to see it anywhere until you see it within yourself.

You aren't going to find God by suddenly reading the Bible one day. How are you so determined that you NEED scriptures?? Because MAN told you this. Did God appear to you one day and say "read the Bible or I want nothing to do with you"?? No. That's something a human being told you and you've been told it so much you hold it as Truth.

I've personally read parts of the Bible that I agree with 100% but I am not taking a book written by other men as Absolute Truth when God speaks directly to me.

 

God didn't say that, that's something man said. Just the fact that religion teaches you that God loves all God's children unconditionally but holds a special kind of love for ONE child of His that existed a little over 2000 years ago should send off a red flag. When I say "Christ", I simply mean "child of God" and nothing else. So yes, we are all Christ whether your Bible says so or not.

The whole notion of Jesus being the one special Son was something enforced to further drive in peoples heads the need for one human being to rule over all. That doesn't sound similar to the monarchs around the same times, and even the dictatorship mentality of most modern governments?? Even in the Bible, Jesus was all loving and understanding to his fellow man and didn't want to be exalted in any way yet they somehow found a way to base a religion treating him as if he is God Himself which is the total opposite of what Jesus was about. That same religion eventually broke off into different sectors, all of which brought more chaos to the world than understanding. No disrespect to Christians but if Jesus wanted or needed his own religion, he would've started it when he was alive.

 

I consider myself a Christian and I'm not offended at all. Like you I believe Jesus can be used to control people and to concentrate power. Jesus said, "if you want to rule over all you must be the slave of all" and "humble yourself and you will be exalted" At the same however, all we know of Jesus comes through scriptures so ultimately one has to consider all of what they say about him. True Christianity is a movement more then a religion. Spreading the way of Christ through acts and ideas in order to create the Kingdom of God on earth.

 

With all this Jesus said Malarkey running about I think it's important to remember that there is zero proof that says Jesus Christ existed at all accept possibly in the minds of a the Palestinian authors who crafted his origins.

The same can be said for Socrates the difference is that even if Socrates is just an amalgam of thoughts on ancient philosophy his teachings can still work do to there man made origins.

On the other hand since the supposed "wisdom" Jesus had to offer and all the ignorant
superstition that comes with it is said to have come from a higher (and more supernatural) power than man it falls apart when it is deduced that there has never been any supernatural events documented for all to see in the history of the world.

 

1. you be surprised when you go to jail for a long long long time.
2. yeh that MAN being Jesus Christ tolled me too.
3. He did appear to be but like he saids in Matthews " deny me and I'll deny you in Heaven." their for yes he doesnt want nothign to do with me if i deny Him.

4. I believe we accept the Whole Bible or deny it all, I think God has that their for a reason.,

 

but i thought JC was catholic

lol

 

Um actually JC identified with no particular religion but was raised Jewish.

Learn your own Truth before you debate with me about mine.

And you are still thinking from the standpoint that God is vengeful and controlling which means the Church has brainwashed you to a point I don't have the patience to assist.

Good luck on your journey.

 

I see your seeing the truth

jk

JQ, saying Jesus did not adhere to a religion is like saying that Marx was not a Marxist. If we accept what the Bible records Jesus as doing as true, or at least reliable, then he would be a Christian (assuming a Christian is defined as one who follow the teachings of Christ). To be fair, saying Jesus identified with not current religion while he was on earth is correct (according to the NT writings), but it is clear that he did espouse a particular religious system (i.e one that follows his teachings about the Father)

 

please refer me to my post where i state these things please.

 

I knw but where in My post do i mention any religions? didnt i post things found in teh bible? if he wants I can look up verse that i spoke about if he asks me.

 

This is where you are referring to Him as vengeful and controlling. Follow the Bible or you will be punished. You don't see the connection there?

And Jesus was a Christian?

It's one thing to debate intelligently using facts or at least words exactly the way they are stated in the Bible. It is something completely different to try to twist information around to suit your argument. Saying Jesus was Christian because people made up Christianity in his name while trying (and failing for the most part) to follow the path of Christ is probably the stupidest thing I've ever heard in a religious debate. And believe me, I've heard some stupid shit.

 

Considering the most reliable information we have of Jesus of NAzareth comes from the Bible (and depending on who you are, it is not even that reliable) I find it silly you say that "Jesus rulz" but the Bible is bad.

Do you realize that some mere 15 years after Jesus' death and alleged resurrection, there were already second hand hymns about him being circulated (Philippians 2:5-11)?

Also, Jesus (if we take the Gospels, even with a grain of salt) clearly shows that Jesus founded a Church (or body of believers) in Matthew 16:18.

I am wondering where you get your information about Jesus if it is not in the Bible (or even in the other writings that were not included in the NT for various reasons)?

 

Oh, I was not responding mainly to you, but mainly to JQ who said Jesus did not found Christianity or was not a Christian.

 

listen go to Oprah I think that religion would be great for you plus no offence but your stupid. not becuz u fail to accept my beliefs but the Word and the Words is Jesus.


and DUH!!!! his Vegengful you'll have to be STUPID to think not, as for controlling i never said anything about him saying that because if he was he clearly wouldnt of given you free will...duh.....

 

its ok i am not bad at cha!