Jesus Was Not Born On December 25

the Christmas tree, the feast, the date, the elves. Even the idea of Santa may date back further than the Christian St. Nick

 

As noted Chistmas is celebrated at the time of the Solstice celebration of an elder religion. It's also been suggested that it is more 'pagan' than Christian.

Can we consider that it is possible that there is common wisdom in the timing of Christmas and the Solstice? That they celebrate the same thing? Think of Jesus as the Light of the World, born in the darkest hours of the year, and with his birth comes the return of the light.

This is not religion, theology, philosophy, history, or science. It is mystical wisdom, poetic, metaphoric, and mythic. It is not provable.

Valid paths, including Wicca, Druidism as well as the more mainstream have more in common than they do differences. The real pagans have us drawing distinctions instead of looking for common ground. And so we are all too often at each others' throats instead of celebrating as one family.

 

this is the appropriate timing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SkWIqQ3oLY
we have come far in two thousand years

 

Now Thomas one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”
But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFrDpx7zLtA

 

Was Jesus ever actually born? This question also came up.

I do not love Jesus. I do not worship Jesus. I do not care whether he was an historical figure or a fictional character.

I do pay close attention to what he teaches.

Whether by design or accident, Jesus became a figurehead for Christianity, and his teaching has been supplanted by true paganism: the philosophy of Plato and, to a lesser extent, Aristotle. This is a generally accepted fact that seems not to have had its validity questionned since the time of Meister Eckhart. The outcome has been tragic.

This continues even today. 'Saint' John Paul II wrote an habilitation thesis on the feasibility of an ethical system based on the thought of Max Scheler, a prominent phenomenologist philosopher. I cannot understand a pope who based his ethics on a philosopher rather than the teachings of Jesus. The outcome has been an ethical burlesque.

What is real, true, and important are Jesus' teachings, and yes, they are available in his deeds and in his words. And they complete, empowering, and beautiful.

Beware, for there is chaff liberally mixed with the wheat.

 

Exactly, that is the beauty of freewill. Jesus never said to celebrate his birthday and he never did, but he did give a command to observe his death. Remember, upper room, bread and wine with the apostles.

 

easter sucks,,,

 

What? the command at the last supper was in all that you do remember me. in forty two months will be the first resurection. look it up.
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They are enduring motiffs of the human psyche they don't belong to any particular group. Thank you for responding so graciously.

 

Do this in remberence of me

 

yes, lookup the millennial reign and understand that i john have been told to regurgitate the scroll.

 

He never said to celebrate his birthday and he never explicitly said we shouldn't. It is up to us. Wether he celebrated his own birthday or not, it does not matter. If you feel so strongly that it matters, how can you say it is the beauty of free will that we do celebrate it anyway? Wait.. In what way is it actually important that we don't celebrate his birthday?

 

Hiya! Well, I am not arguing any of that. I would have sworn I replied to this in this thread but it appears I was mixing threads up (there were several threads about this around christmas it seems ). I did gave an answer though but in another thread with the exact same thing being discussed In case you missed it:

http://www.hipforums.com/forum/topic/464743-renaming-christmas/page-4

What I think we should all be able to conclude if we look objectively is this:

 

When i say the beauty of freewill, it means we all have a choice in what we do or say.
You say society has cultivated Christmas for a thousand years. Maybe they have, still dont make it right to celebrate a pagan holiday disguised as a christian holiday.

 

I would say that is a slightly different and entirely subjective matter. It is not disguised at all, it really is a christian holiday (maybe not for you or me personally but just objectively perceived), they simply took over (in our societies at least). Everything ends and while it does it continues in something else. It does not make the first thing better or more right by definition.

 

It's not right to call a christian celbration a pagan holiday. You are full of denigrating speach.