John Paul II takes the rap

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  1. NotDeadYet

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    That makes it a better example of evil.
     
  2. thedope

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    Do you believe it to be an insane act to murder someone and eat them? Do you imagine that these people are not possessed by something. This is not free will, this is tortured desperation.
     
  3. NotDeadYet

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    How about simple disrespect and disregard for the rights of others, in situations where you are reasonably certain that you can get away with it? It doesn't have to rise to the level of physical violence. I consider that a form of evil.
     
  4. thedope

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    It is a poor example for randomness being evil. I would still like to see an example of evil.
     
  5. NotDeadYet

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    Corporate greed?

    The Catholic Church orchestrating a cover-up to protect childassfucker priests?
     
  6. thedope

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    What "rights" do we have. Do we have the right to choose the moment of our birth or the moment of our death?
    The concept of disrespect is in no wise simple. It requires the enormous effort of constant arbitration.
     
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    These are storms blowing through the psyche of humanity, this is inconstancy, insanity. It is not flesh and blood with which we contend, the actions of men, but principalities and powers, the agreements we make.
     
  8. NotDeadYet

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    You don't think there are any obvious ones?
     
  9. thedope

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    I think any rights we have are evident, not idealistic. We enter this world given to do with it what we will, within the terms of embodiment, or condition.
     
  10. TipsyGypsy

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    Mental illness is not evil and is not possession.
     
  11. thedope

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    Then I would say evil does not exist, insanity and evil being the same. They used to call insanity possession. Regardless, possession is, whether prized or demonic.
     
  12. famewalk

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    When we take and let go of possession is decided by those we belong to or with. Self-possessiveness, on the other hand; that is the viceful way, but not really mental illness; it means in the traditional way the means to losing touch with the social order of something we'd have in a Tea Party. Do we congregate to understand when the money we made is irresponsible, or do we congregate to make responsibility for not really having taken possession.

    Personally, I can't see we can ignore the profits made at a ski run, or at a yaht club.
     
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    It seems a little harsh to take away a 2000 year old perquisite. I've never figured out why they don't just do each other instead of the young ones.
     
  14. NotDeadYet

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    Maybe they do that too.
     
  15. def zeppelin

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    I think it comes down to how we are defining insanity. Some see premeditated murder as insane, but that person can still be mentally stable. So they may not be insane legally, but they are insane morally.

    I agree with you that mental insanity is not evil as long as that insanity is a result of chemical imbalances in the brain or deep seated psychological issues. It goes along with what NotDeadYet said about the legally insane still remaining gentle or as I would call morally sane. These ones are ill and need medical support.

    I do believe, however, that following our own personal views of morality can make us susceptible to wrongful behavior.
     
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    Forgive them they know not what they do by reason of insanity. At every turn innocence is crucified for the sake of evil.
     
  17. TipsyGypsy

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    Ok, so say a woman who has suffered abuse at the hands of her husband, had eventually decided enough was enough. The police hadn't helped, running from him hadn't helped so she felt she had no other option but to kill him.

    Would you say she is morally insane? I don't think her morals would come into question here.
     
  18. def zeppelin

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    It really depends on the situation and the options available. I don't believe she would be morally insane because she was defending herself from constant harassment and abuse. The resources available and her options weren't enough.

    I would say that she was just put in a tough spot.

    But really, my terminology shouldn't be taken seriously... just wanted to move the convo along
     
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    Ahhhh... we've got a generation gap here. But by the content of word as back in the seventies. PERQUISITE is that pre-requisite?

    In 1976 Germaine Greer came out with a book including the problem of "kitchen house orgasms". Parents do each other: was that bad then too; OR was that just a problem that people didn't eat with each other with love enough, OR was that there the people sought too much sexual fulfillment to substitute for it missing elsewhere in the HOME. I guess the sexual fulfillment could be at a supermarket these days.:prettyplease:
     
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    intro. again.:cool: Who scratched?
     
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