Kavanaugh protesters

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by Pressed_Rat, Oct 6, 2018.

  1. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    I am with the ladies on this one. Such an important position, why not just find one that doesnt have any accusations against him
     
  2. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Because it's all baseless accusations that were politically motivated out of the left's hatred for Trump (at least that is how it appears at face value). Zero evidence was provided to back up Ford's accusations, and the people she named had no recollection of what was alleged to have taken place. The Democrats and "progressive" libtards were against Trump's pick before he was even named. I am sure if it was anyone else, they would have made up similar allegations with zero backing to substantiate them.
     
  3. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    There were 3 accusers right?, FBI investigation was only 1 week and we are talking about a nomination for the Supreme court. Its all just a bit too iffy, and its a postion in public office. Innocent before being proven guilty doesnt have to apply, plenty of examples just in the US where public officials are take out of the equation just on accusations.

    But just from Trumps angle, I dont think it was a good idea in the long run, why have this issue hanging over your head, for one guy to basically not get a promotion?
     
  4. Joshua Tree

    Joshua Tree Remain In Light

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    My view is let the law take its' course. Someone is innocent until proven guilty. In Kavanaugh's case allegations have been made, but I don't believe he has been charged with anything (correct me if I'm wrong). If he is charged then let's see if he's found guilty, and if he is then obviously he'll be booted off the Supreme Court and into jail. If he's charged then I imagine he'd have to resign to clear his name anyway.
     
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  5. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    He has not been charged with anything.
     
  6. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    First of all it wasn't a trial. Kavanaugh was interviewing for a job, no proof of guilt was needed. What was in question was his ability to serve on the highest court in the land, not his guilt in a crime.

    Second, what matters in the long run was Kavanaugh's response to the allegations, whether true or not. He failed that test. He didn't want an investigation to determine truth or falsehood, he implied political motivation and conspiracies with no supporting facts, he distorted facts, (he said Mark Judge and P.J. Smyth said a party didn't happen, they never said that, they said they couldn't remember if it did), he stated that her four witnesses refuted her claim, (Leland Keyser said she believed her)...etc.; there are many examples of his misleading statements.
    And his demeanor under pressure was terrible.

    Third the FBI investigation was a sham. An arbitrary time limit was imposed. Neither Kavanaugh nor Ford were interviewed by trained FBI investigators. Deborah Ramirez wasn't interviewed. Julie Swetnick wasn't interviewed. Jeremiah Hanafin wasn't interviewed. Keith Koegler wasn't interviewed. Others not interviewed include Charles Ludington, Kerry Berchem, James Roche, Kenneth Appold, and Elizabeth Rasor. All requested FBI interviews, all were denied.
    Reports are that 20 more individuals should have been called.
    The FBI was not permitted to look into allegations that Kavanaugh perjured himself....certainly a reason to deny his appointment and one of the charges in Clinton's impeachment.

    Fourth we have no problem investigating 35 year old sexual allegations against priests in the Catholic church or 35 year old allegations against comedians and actors...but we shouldn't consider at least three allegations of sexual misconduct at all when considering the appointment, for life, of a supreme court justice...even though no crime need be proven.

    Fifth its disingenuous to accuse the Democrats of playing politics without pointing out the politics of the Republicans who refused to even grant a hearing to Obama's pick so that they could appoint their own man, and who clearly have an agenda in mind with the appointment of Kavanaugh.
    Why couldn't they have withdrawn him and find another highly qualified individual who wouldn't divide the nation and cast a dispersion on the court for the next 50 years??

    Sad.
     
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  7. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    How can we stop Trump?
    Hey.. I know! We can use identity politics against him!

    *Fails*

    Damn it, that didn't work...

    How can we stop Kavanaugh? Lets use identity politics!

    *fails*

    Damn it! What are we doing wrong? We aren't using enough identity politics!
     
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  8. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    You'll have to explain what you mean.
     
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  9. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    I forgot in my post #26.....
    Sixth.
    The results of the "investigation" are locked up behind closed doors. The public can't see them, the Senators aren't allowed to talk about them, Ford nor I assume Kavanaugh have seen them (although I could be wrong about Kavanaugh), nor have their legal teams been allowed to see them, and the FBI isn't allowed to talk about it....so we don't know what the FBI found or didn't find.

    The cloud remains over Kavanaugh as the only ones who are satisfied are the Republicans; not the Democrats, not the press, not a vast majority of the public, and not the accusers or witnesses that were denied a hearing.

    Nice job. Cleared that right up.
    [​IMG]
     
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  10. Deidre

    Deidre Follow thy heart

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    They seem like odd accusations though. So Dr Ford just...made it all up? All of his former classmates, made all of their comments up?
    I believe in due process of law, but it's not about convicting him of anything, as much as there will always be wonder in the hearts of many ...over all of the controversy around him.
     
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  11. scratcho

    scratcho Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    "baseless accusations , politically motivated ,zero evidence , no recollection , alleged ,Democrats-progressive LIBTARDS , zero backing. Hate Trump?? Yup--no doubt about that in my case. And I don't like people that have no discernible discretion when it comes to personal character. Never been fond of liars, bullies, con men, crooks, those who stick up for them, or KNOW IT ALLS. Kavanaugh= the Clintons, the vast left wing conspiracy, a travesty---and maybe most telling="what goes around comes around." That is a payback threat, not the considered statement of a clear, unbiased mind.
     
  12. NoHobo

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    When some chick pops out of the woodwork and accuses someone of sexual assault that happened in the fucking 80s it feels a lot more like a leftist witch hunt than a legitimate claim.

    Irrelevant of what I think of the man himself, I do not find these accusations to be legitimate and absolutely despise the fact that unfounded accusations of ancient sexual assault can have such a significant impact on any man in any position.
     
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  13. Noserider

    Noserider Goofy-Footed Member

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    What about when it's four women?
     
  14. NoHobo

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    Irrelevant if the act in question did not happen fairly recently. They had all the time in the world to come out of the woodwork. Coming out now feels like 99% a political move and 1% an actual stand against abuse.
     
  15. Noserider

    Noserider Goofy-Footed Member

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    Your attitude is why it takes women decades to come out.

    You are the problem, dude.
     
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  16. NoHobo

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    Lol, that's pretty dumb.

    I'm advocating for the exact opposite. I want all women/men/children/exotic animals who have been abused in any way, share, or form to come out right fucking now and I want the people who diddled them to have to answer for their crimes.

    What I don't want is for these people to conveniently wait until the most opportune political moment and then conveniently come out there and then.
     
  17. deleted

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    Where are we going next week>> back to Russian collusion or Stormy.? Asking for a friend.
     
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  18. Meliai

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    sexual abuse victims dont owe anyone an explanation for when or why they come forward.

    I wouldn't want the guy who assaulted me to be appointed to such an important position, a position where he'll be making important legal decisions regarding women's lives. but i've never reported him. and I probably never will.
    but he wouldn't deserve to sit on the Supreme Court, that's for sure.
     
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  19. Deidre

    Deidre Follow thy heart

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    I would agree with you if this were the case with all repub nominations. But it happened with this guy, and it really became also about his demeanor and not answering questions during his hearing that seemed to infer he was lying under oath. That should be relevant when considering a SC Judge.
     
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  20. Noserider

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    Word.
     
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