I am sure he does accept the responsibility for the role he has as Prime minister ... i was saying that any dicision by anyone has fallout . If he did give an apology but did not actualy mean it , then that would be worse. I accept that he does not wish to give an apology for something he does not wish to apologise for . Good Bad and Ugly dicisions are a matter of personal perspective this why i said that you should look at your personal choice and see what the possible outcome could be ?? Anyones dicision has the possibility to be good bad or ugly (IMHO).
This is the point though. Nobody expects him to apologise for making a bad decision. We expect him to apologise for misleading parliament and the country and for taking us to war on a false pretext.
Matthew, you're moving my point away from where it started. I'm not interested in discussing Blair being right or wrong in this post. I was responding to Fleassy's opinion that we should feel sorry for him as he's only human. Like I said before (twice now) as Prime Minister he is fully aware of his role and his responsibility, it's not like he took the job through ignorance, so why should he get our sympathy?
I am sorry for whatever i have misinterpreted the person above you has made me a bit obnoxious lately.
He should get a little sympathy because its all well and good us with hindsight and no responsibility realy to find fault and ask for an apology ...but it i think assumes he has not our best intrests at heart and cares little about what he does ...personaly i think he does .
But what I'm trying to say is that as PM you are never gonna please all the people all the time so he has to accept that he'll be in these situations whether rightly or wrongly. If he was just some guy who got lumbered with making such powerful decisions I would feel for him, but this is his job. Oh, by the way, the person above me in the thread is my boyfriend
well i better be a bit nice too you ...before he accuses me of being a chauvinist pig..*sigh* Yes so saying sorry every time some one asks is not realy something that should be entered into ..because some may feel he should and some may feel he should not .. its not realy i think a must that apologies should be done just because of the will of the people ... i think at this time it maybe an admission of guilt and be lapped up by people that asked for it ... I personaly would shake my head a bit if he did , but may just see it may heal a few riffs..ultimatly well hopefuly.
OK, well I didn't wanna get caught up in the should he apologise debate, but in this case he should. Simply because he took British troops to war on a false premise, and when questioned time and again, he would reassure the country that Iraq had WMD's when so many experts knew they didn't. And now of course, we ALL know that they don't. That's as far as I'm going, 'cos all the info that's needed is in the Tony Blair thread, and I'm going now anyway!
i am finding it hard to find anything good in that one...i think i am just going to leave it alone..see how you boyfriend reacts to my childishness i guess
Try confining your infantile attitude to one thread at a time, Matthew. If you want to be rude to me, feel free to PM me. That way maybe you can restrain your vitriol from spilling into the whole forum.
personally, my view on ken bigley isn't that tony blair has blood on his hands, but it is his captors who have blood on their hands. After all, they were the people who killed him. To be honest, I've forgotten what this war is about. Somethin gabout weapons of mass destruction which don't exist, apparently.
why would i waste my time PMing you , if you think i am rude fine...but i am not , it was an honest reflection on what i was thinking at the time. You have made me obnoxious lately .
Look, Matthew. Up until this point I've not said so much as a harsh word to you in this thread. Confine your attitude to threads where we've actually exchanged unpleasantness. Nobody's to blame for you being obnoxious except yourself. If you can't control your attitude, then you're the only one to blame for that. I'm quite happy to exchange insults in this thread if you really want to, but that would be disrupting the forum for people who aren't interested in reading our confrontations and who would actually prefer to discuss the topic at hand. By trying to drag our previous argument into an unrelated thread you're just making yourself look childish.
let me repeat myself if you think i am rude fine...but i am not , it was an honest reflection on what i was thinking at the time. You have made me obnoxious lately .Today 09:54 AM this was a fact , i was being honest ..it was not a personal dig at you or anything..it was a fact .
1. It's not a fact. You can choose to respond to me in a number of ways. If you choose to respond by becoming a dick, then that's your choice. 2. Whether or not you've been rude, you're being provocative in this thread by referring to me in a way to which I'm bound to reply. 3. You're disrupting the forum with your behaviour. Feel free to insult me on the original thread, or even start a new one. Drop me a PM if you like. But by dragging the issue into this thread, you've created an overspill of conflict that everyone interested in the original topic of this thread will now suffer from. 4. You also seem to be forgetting your 2nd comment... ... which was also intentionally provocative.
Your quite right ... its affecting anything i am saying here i guess..yes you are right .. But i think i can bring anything that troubles me about you along to something your in , thats not so unreasonable...I knew you were going to read this thread ...and to a point i was just trying to make a joke about the whole thing..its not beyond the realms of possibility that we both have a sense of humour is it.Yes you have a point yes i have a point ... thats what is so nice about this palce . are you a taurus by the way ...i am ?
It's not a case of whether it's unreasonable. It's about whether it disrupts threads which are of interest to other people and just cause them to degenerate into arguments between you and me. I'm quite happy to argue with you, but let's limit it to one thread at a time, eh? Until your comments here, we were having a civilised discussion. You'd said things I disagreed with, but you'd done so reasonably, and so we were being civilised towards one another. That's fine in principle, but it came out as you taking a shot at me rather than attempting to share a joke. I'm quite happy to make light of the whole thing. I've never been one to hold a grudge. Indeed. So in this thread, let's attempt to share those points without making digs at one another, eh? No.
I found it amazing how little the british government did to secure he release. The Irish government even did more, they gave him a passport so he could claim he was Irish and not English and therefore had nothing to do with the occupation. Still though I agree with Doctor Atomiks point they can't really blame Blair as he was there of his own accord but one has to realise they are a greaving family so reason in what they say won't come into the equation.
