King Blair is Gone! Long Live King Brown!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by skip, Jun 24, 2007.

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  1. mbworkrelated

    mbworkrelated Banned

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    Yes hate them all you like be shocked by them all you like - not everybody lives or sees 1984 conspiracy everywhere. They see there community going to shit and a wish to make it better.

    http://www-test.ealing.gov.uk/press_releases/2006/september_2006/PR824.html
    No you don't have to live there - maybe if you did your tune would be different.

    To be fair we don't have many around near me - so the the sight of them may to a ''outsider'' seem like some sort of gulag [I appreciate you like the dramatic language *cough*]
     
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  3. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    BTW, I've come to the conclusion that this secret pact between Reagan & Thatcher where Britain must go to war if the US says so, is similar to other secret pacts signed with Australia.

    That is why Australia joined in on the Iraq War, cause Bush ordered them to. There may also have been a pact signed with Canada, but I'm not sure it's still in effect. I know NZ ended any such military cooperation with the US years ago.
     
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  5. mbworkrelated

    mbworkrelated Banned

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    It does seem a little odd Australia have been with the US in every war for the last 100 years.
    ''secret pacts'' dunno about that ''shared goals'' yeah i'm sure.
     
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  7. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    You know, regardless of any pacts, they went to war for oil in any case, as we'll all see when the Iraq Oil Agreement is finalized, if it's ever to be made public in its entirety.

    John Howard (Australia's PM) denied today that they went to war for oil, and said it was to bring democracy to Iraq (not the WMD like he ORIGINALLY said was the reason...)

    Yet one of his administration said yesterday it was for oil that they went to Iraq.

    I guess Australia just can't get its LIES STRAIGHT.
     
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  9. mamaKCita

    mamaKCita fucking stupid.

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    i love that they go for oil and it all ends up so fucked up that oil is nearly $70 a barrel. WELL DONE, GUYS! TWO THUMBS UP! (way up their asses.) freaking ridiculous. have one thing to do, lie to get it done, then screw it up anyway.
     
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  11. Flight From Ashiya

    Flight From Ashiya Senior Member

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    Gordon Brown has been the Treasury for 10 years but when 'vexed' by Cameron in the Commons he retorts: "...I've only been Prime Minister for 5 days!!".
    That is to disassociate himself with his ex-boss in which he is implicated for many of the Cabinet decisions including the Iraq invasion.
    I think Brown is a traditional socialist whereas Blair was a revisionist new-Labour socialist.If you can still call any of them 'socialist'?.
    Brown might make a concerted effort to improve inequality & social deprivation in Britain based on his Keir Hardie upbringing/leanings.It seems that as a cannie Scot:all depends if 'there's enough money in the pot'.

    Blair was a 'Thatcherite' in all but name.Unlike Mrs.Thatcher who broke with Reagan/ America over The Falklands War;Blair's 'special relationship' with the U.S. was 'incontravertable'.Clinton was more of Blair's political persuasion but never once did Blair question Bush's expansionist neo-conservative, militaristic foreign policy.

    America,Britain,Canada N.Z. & Australia are all millitarily involved in Iraq & Afghanistan more than 'Oil' concessions but the expansion of the neo-conservative empire of the Western Far-Right.
     
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  13. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    This is what he should be hanged over.

    It's one thing to support a war when you really have no choice.

    But there was plenty of choice, in fact Blair could've just held out longer for more proof of the "intelligence" that was being forced down everyone's throats.

    The fact that Blair never once questioned the motives of Bush, never questioned the neocon agenda, never even questioned what would happen AFTER the invasion of Iraq, means he FAILED BRITAIN and the rest of the world!

    Blair did NOT DO HIS JOB and instead enabled the US to go to war with his support.

    As I said before without Blair's unflagging support there would've been so many more skeptics in the US, probably enough to prevent the war.

    If Blair had PUBLICALLY asked such questions, he would've raised doubts in his own country too. Instead these items were never an issue, when they should've led to the most important debate of all.

    Of course Congress failed in their jobs too, but hey, they were MOSTLY republicans back then, unlike Blair's LABOR gov't. which was supposed to be liberal, yeah right!
     
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  15. mbworkrelated

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  17. lifelovefun

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    Brown = Blair = Bush
     
    lifelovefun, Jul 6, 2007
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  19. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Anyone that is aware knows Brown and Blair have been symbiotc brothers for years.

    The fact that Blair allowed himself to be ruled by Bush, only demonstrates that Brown agreed with it to begin with.
     
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  21. mbworkrelated

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    He has never distanced himself from the decisions he has made.
    Yes he agreed with the war from the begining.
    We will have a different tone now imho - and troop withdrawl will seem like a u-turn.
    Nothing spectacular happened because of Brown - i'm sure any timetable was discussed a very long time ago.
     
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  23. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    No one but those in the backrooms truly know what friend and colleague Brown agreed with leading up to, during or currently.
     
    gardener, Jul 10, 2007
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  25. mbworkrelated

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    It seemed we were only talking about the initial decision and the ongoing war.
    He agreed with the invasion of Iraq he has not deviated as of yet from the script of T.Blair .
    The decisions he makes subsequently imho have nothing to do with Blair.

    GORDON BROWN:
    ''Saddam had broken every international resolution against him for 12 years adding: "That was an unacceptable solution and it had to be dealt with."

    ''Well it is for the Attorney General to make his own statement - he is, he is the lawyer and obviously we don't want war, we want peace, we want the diplomatic process to work. But the government would not be acting in the way it has done without there being a legal basis for its actions. Now the Resolution 1441 talks about serious consequences if Saddam Hussein fails to comply, but that is, lying behind that is the, all the previous resolutions, including Resolution 678 which says that the international community should take all necessary means to uphold security and peace. In other words, that Saddam Hussein should disarm. And of course everything has been done under Chapter 7 of the United Nations, which is the authorisation for military action. So I think you can take it that the government would not be contemplating action if it did not have a legal basis for that action.''
     
    mbworkrelated, Jul 10, 2007
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  27. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    Here's an excellent article describing exactly my points about how the BBC has been co-opted by the conservative British gov't (called Labor by some).

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2130687,00.html

    I'm really surprised you Brits aren't even up on this...

    Even I, an American could figure all this out. Fuck I don't even get the real BBC anymore, just BBC America which is a just a cruel joke by the BBC on Americans. (yes we LOVE watching 10 episodes of Benny Hill every fucking day!)

    But I do read the BBC online, and I can state with certainty that they no longer criticize the gov't like they used to. There's like this HUGE HOLE where once there was excellent journalism.
     
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  29. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentis...2130687,00.html

    Does seem to be true motives behind todays conflicts, what we should ask is who benefits?
     
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  31. Nalencer

    Nalencer Dig Yourself

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    = Puppet
     
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