King Blair is Gone! Long Live King Brown!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by skip, Jun 24, 2007.

  1. honeyfugle

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    my thoughts exactly!

    in an affluent country like Britain, we should not have poverty like this anymore. it's ridiculous. it really is. :mad:
     
  2. skip

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    You want me to list the lies of the Blair Gov't for you? Are you so blind as to not even be aware of ANY?

    And why do you insult me by calling me a liar?
     
  3. skip

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    I'm going to LIST these LIES of the Blair Gov't, and I expect a response or I will start a completely NEW thread on this subject. Here are just a few.

    1. Blair's "intelligence dossier" on Iraq was lifted, word for word, from an American student's thesis. He lied about where his "intelligence" came from.

    2. In 1995, General Kamel, a son in law of Saddam, who defected, brought with him a crate of documents about Iraq's WMD programs. He stated categorically that there were NO WMD left in Iraq, because he himself had ordered the destruction of all WMD. Yet, Colin Powell and Blair both said that Gen. Kamel provided intelligence to them that Iraq still had WMD ready to go. Kamel's claims were backed by UN inspector Scott Ritter who estimated that 90-95% of Iraq's WMD had been destroyed (he was proven correct).

    3. The claim that Brits could be attacked by Saddam's WMD in 45 minutes, was a LIE so far over the top, yet it was THE KEY that convinced EVERYONE that an immediate attack on Iraq was necessary.

    4. The claim that NO BRIBES were paid to Saudi Arabia's leaders for lucrative defense contracts for British Aerospace Industries, and the subsequent closure of the investigation into this has been proven to be a LIE, when in fact almost ALL such contracts contain kickbacks. This corruption was condoned by Blair and all previous British gov'ts because they WERE ALL CORRUPT.

    Sources for your inspection, these detail even MORE BLAIR LIES...
    http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=3235

    HOLY SHIT! I was doing the research for this and look what I found!!!
    This explains A LOT! Why Blair went to war! Why he wouldn't even listen to his own people. I KNEW there was some kind of secret agreement, but I didn't know when it was signed, nor by whom.

    So this is YET ANOTHER BLAIR LIE, because he didn't tell his people the REAL reason why he HAD TO go to war - Because BUSH ORDERED HIM TO DO IT!

    More info here:
    http://www.serendipity.li/iraqwar/b-liar.htm
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8165.htm
     
  4. honeyfugle

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    you say you are going to "LIST these LIES of the Blair Gov't" but you have again only mentioned the iraq war - is bitching about our former leader's actions in the war the only important thing in your life at the moment?

    but, to be fair to you i'm not going to defend Blair on those because I agree with you that he was wrong to do those things, but it really seems you want us Britons to hate Blair like you do and you're going to throw anything you can to make us revile him like you do, which i find insulting.

    but when all's said and done, i still truly believe Blair went to Iraq with good intentions, like in Kosovo, Northern Ireland etc.
     
  5. honeyfugle

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    well to be honest, how do YOU know this is even true if you don't know any details about it?
    what, just cos you found it off a site off the internet, it's completely true is it?
    so why should i believe a word of it?
     
  6. skip

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    That was a leak from your own military leaders who are rather upset that they had to fight this war.
     
  7. Roffa

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    No doubt he did have good intentions, and sincerely believed he was doing the right thing by subverting international law and fabricating evidence to support the intervention in Iraq. That's what makes him so scary.
     
  8. Power_13

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    True true. Wasn't it your good self, Skip, who chastised mbworkrelated for believing everything he read in books/on the internet?
     
  9. skip

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    Ah but when such a statement EXPLAINS the inexplicable, then yes, if it quacks like a Poodle, then it IS a POODLE!

    Yes, and I'm sure you really believe the British gov't is ALWAYS honest with its citizens, never lying, never deceiving, right...
     
  10. skip

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    Well if Blair HAD TO GO TO WAR, then you really can't blame him, can you. So that is actually a DEFENSE for Blair - a poor one I admit, because Britain is supposed to be a soverign country, and shouldn't have to take orders from a foreign power.

    Anyone like Thatcher who would sign such a SECRET agreement committing her country to go to war on orders from another country should be HUNG!

    You can see just how such an agreement could be ABUSED, as was done to get Britain to commit to war against a country that posed NO THREAT, just cause BUSH said to.

    But Blair missed his opportunity to REVEAL the SECRET, admit that it was WRONG for Thatcher to have signed it, refute the Agreement, reneg on the commitment to the war and bring home the troops.

    Do you think Gordon Brown will do that?

    Well if not, then YOU WON'T SEE YOUR TROOPS COME HOME UNTIL THE US BRINGS ITS TROOPS HOME!

    Anything else Brown says will be a LIE!

    We'll see who's lying now.
     
  11. stoney69

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    how well they defend the "intentions/actions" of their leaders, whilst ignorin reality and the bodies that fall by 100s on a per day basis!

    ...and the arabs and muslims around the world are asked to condemn, in english, the intentions and actions of people that had nothin to do with them (they had not elected and elected them again ..those that became their representation)
     
  12. skip

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    BTW, the big payoff for Thatcher signing the agreement was Britain obtaining new WMD from the US, Trident Missiles which they didn't have to pay to develop. Aren't you glad your country is FULL of WMD?

    I think the US should INVADE Britain to remove the WMD before your homegrown TERRORISTS get hold of them to use against the USA. That's a completely valid reason for invasion, MORE LIKELY than Saddam ever attacking the US.

    So what was Tony's motivation for agreeing to go to war with Iraq? Oil for British Blood! How many Brits died so you could fill up your SUV with Iraqi oil?

    Oh that's right you guys don't really need Iraqi oil. In fact most of it is going to the USA, but you Brits are the ones selling some of it to us. So you personally get NO BENEFIT from the war on IRAQ, unless you call getting your AIRPORTS BLOWN UP to be a benefit.

    Yup, you can also thank Blair for turning your country into a PRIME ISLAMIC TERROR TARGET. There is NO ONE ELSE TO BLAME For that.

    Happy now?
     
  13. honeyfugle

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    yeah, ok. i believe you now.
    NOT
    so WHICH military leaders are they? details? for all i know, they could be bin-men pretending to be military leaders.
    i still don't regard that as being truthful. at all.
    great how your information sources are so dodgy.

    oh what, the secret agreement that a website told you about?
    and you're not much of a HIPPY going round wishing death on people, are you?

    uh, what? weren't you heralding Gordon Brown as a king earlier?
    so now he's a liar, is he? and he hasn't even opened his mouth yet!

    no i am not actually. i'm very much against it.

    am i supposed to laugh at this?
     
  14. Power_13

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    "When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth"...bullcrap.

    Hey, I heard that President Bush is really a space alien, and he's fighting in Iraq because two million years ago one of his species' UFOs crash landed there and put the crew into stasis lock, but Saddam was actually a rival alien trying to find the crashed ship before Bush to drain the crew's theta-waves. It all makes sense now! Nanu nanu.

    Please refrain from putting words into my mouth. For what it's worth, I know there are slimy cunts in government, and that there always have been.

    For what it's worth, I could see something like the secret clause happening, and it does make sense in a strange sort of way (am researching the times and dates for that now) but it'll take more than some guy writing about it on a website to get me to put my tinfoil hat on.
     
  15. Power_13

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    The bit that confuses me about that secret clause is this:

    It doesn't make sense to me for Thatcher to tie the hands of future PMs, including those of her own party, to participate in wars at the request of American government. If it were a clause introduced by the Americans it'd make more sense.

    I'm also trying to pin down certain dates.
     
  16. skip

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    What you are failing to acknowledge is that the US & Britain have had a mutual defense pact since WWII. No doubt the clause that the US could insist upon Britain's aid was payback for the US bailing out Britain in WWII.

    Of course that was probably a clause insisted upon by Pres. Reagan's advisors, rather than the RUSTY lady.

    So your country MUST go to war if the US says so. That's the bottom line. Like it or not, it is a TREATY your country entered into, and Blair enforced.

    It's fine for the USA to abrogate all its International treaties, but God Forbid Britain should.

    BTW, you say I'm only discussing Iraq, but events have overtaken this thread, and PROVEN that Iraq is no longer a FOREIGN issue, but one that is now of URGENT DOMESTIC IMPORTANCE, no?

    The war in Iraq has LANDED AT YOUR FEET, thanks to Blair. Everyone warned this would happen, and now Britain must suffer the consquences of its ILLEGAL, IMMORAL WAR in Iraq, which most of you seem to evidently support.

    You PERSONALLY are now a target of INTERNATIONAL terrorism.

    How's that working out for you?

    JUST REMEMBER: The USA has MANY MORE WARS planned. And Britain will surely be asked to sacrifice more troops to AMERICAN IMPERALISM so that your OIL companies and ours can continue to rake in RECORD PROFITS.

    How many more British soldiers and civilians must die before you guys do something about it?

    Don't expect KING BROWN to help you, his hands are tied too.

    Where are the protests demanding Brown withdraw from Iraq immediately?

    Or have your own domestic protest organzations been undermined, like here in the US by gov't infiltrators?
     
  17. L.A.Matthews

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    What's this treaty called, and where can I find it?
     
  18. skip

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    It's SECRET, look that word up.
     
  19. L.A.Matthews

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    So what's your evidence that this treaty exists?
     
  20. skip

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    The proof is in the pudding.

    Save your skepticism for your government's lies.
     
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