Lauren Southern Banned from UK

Except in areas where I have direct knowledge and personal experience, I sometimes reflect on posts and replies that I have left on here and realize that without meeting the people in question, I may have been partly influenced by fake news.
In general, I trust the UK government, (not just for a quiet life at home LOL) but I have little doubt that their judgments may have been similarly swayed on a few occasions.
In many cases, I think that it is more about how people go about spreading their beliefs than it is about the belief itself.
Some years ago, due to my worries and interests about climate change, we invited Al Gore to host a convention at one of my theaters. The moment that I met the man, I saw him as a pompous overpaid idiot, only interested in the size of his own bank balance. I could not stop laughing when I realized that he had hired a gas guzzling limousine to transport his chubby cheeks and overweight gut 500 yards from his 5 star hotel to the theater.

 

A guy can dream, can't he?

Actually, yes. They see Lauren Southern, and Brittany Pettybone (the other journalist who was barred from UK entry) more dangerous than these folks:

London Bridge jihadi STOPPED at Stansted but allowed in | Daily Mail Online

A Muslim preacher 'who advocated beheading of gay men' is coming to Britain for a lecture tour

Muslim cleric banned in Pakistan is preaching in UK mosques

Extremists and returning jihadists 'offered council house bribes to reintegrate' they even give these horrible people welfare

 

It all depends what you want out of life. Some people dream with their porn collection, others with a crush on some kind of celebrity or popular media figure. If it suffices, or is easier to resort to than going after a real woman in your surroundings.. but alas, if we expand on that there might be a better thread for it

You were formulating it different for dubious reasons which is what i ment with my reaction.

First, you equated UK governments decision regarding Southern with it applying on conservative libertarians in general. False.
Secondly. You then act that because they made a decision regarding Southern (which you act is a decision regarding every conservative libertarian), which they didn't make for several religious extremists, that the UK government finds conservative libertarians esp. in a journalist function by default more dangerous than religious extremists. Also false.
Thirdly, you're obviously biased here because you got the hots for her and you both affiliate yourself with a certain group

 

Actually, the rift isn't as bad as the administration of the past decade and it's supporters would have you believe. The middle is a knife edge with almost nobody on it, yet most people are real close to it on one side or another and content to be there. It's the few that are far to either side that want to get people over to there lonely spot at the fringe. One side does it by being divicive and saying if you're not this, then you're everything bad. One side does it by not saying much, and just being more successful. Some people want to be a victim, and conform to whatever makes them that, others are willing to do whatever it takes to be the best that they can be and won't let another person's label hold them back.
Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and for God's sake don't ask me to drag around to many anchors as i do it, is how it works over here.

 

Sure seems like you're expressing wishful thinking here

 

I'm expressing exactly what I see in my every day life, which brings me to many different places and puts me in contact with all types of different people. That as opposed to some people who have a routine that shows them nothing but the same old same old day in and day out.

 

And how would you notice how big the rIft is by that? Aren't most people you come across of that way just busy doing their thing? A lot avoid politics as a topic with strangers in the first place.

They may get a less diverse view of their surroundings and their fellow countrymen that way, but it doesn't mean they have a less accurate view of reality and even the general state of your country societywise that way. Obviously how divided people are politically is not always clearly visible. It actually might get more visible if one is stuck in a routine with the same people on a weekly or even daily basis (certainly has been my experience during work).

 

My work puts me in fairly close contact with all sorts of people over an extended period of time, sometimes it's days, others it's weeks, months, and some projects have lasted longer than a year. We get to know one another and talk about all sorts of things. Political divisions as I see it aren't about to cause a civil war here any time soon, despite what some people are screaming to get attention focused on their agenda.

 

Political divisions only exist on the internet

Can you imagine if people just constantly argued politics in real life the way they do online. I dont know anyone who talks about this sort of stuff on a regular basis face to face. I avoid political conversations in real life

If a civil war happens in America it will be fought on the internet lol

 

With political division I mean just a great divide in political mindsets, like polarised. An overly thinking in sides, and a refusal to take that other side seriously. Certainly in political sense. That's why they avoid the topic so much. This political division does not only exists on the internet.
I'm not saying its leading to civil war or something lol. Or that its apparent in every day life.

 

I agree with this for sure.

That is, unless, people who express their provocative opinions online get doxed online. Bringing people who want them dead, right to that person's front door. That's what you mean by an internet civil war, right?

 

I've never heard of this person. But for some reason I picture her, in a confederate flag bikini.

 

Mel

Sorry, but I’ve been on enough anti-racist demonstrations that have been attacked both verbally and physically to know that isn’t true.

I don’t ‘constantly’ talk about politics but I do it often and face to face with people, with family, with friends and down the pub.

I’ve also been an active member of a political party so have done my time discussing politics on street corners and door steps and with most people (as here) it is affable but (as here) on occasions….

We can only hope, but many on the gun owning right do threaten that if things don’t go the way they like they will begin killing their political opponents.

 

OK i repeat

Bob your wife’s ex-boyfriend doesn’t think it a provocative question to ask why your wife is such a ‘dumb, ugly, cock-sucking whore bitch’ as he has been telling everyone around town because in his view that is a completely rational thing to say as he thinks it totally true.

Oh and your wife who is a peaceful loving woman most of the time thinks Bob is a shriveled dick who she wishes would die a horrible death, because he is so hateful toward her.

Bob is now on your doorstep, you know if you let him in Bob is going to be ‘provocative’ and do everything he can to get into a shouting match with your wife, you know it might even end up in a physical fight and you know that besides the possible property damage someone could get injured, hell you might even be hurt.

So do you let him in?

To me there is a difference between wanting honest debate and just trying to start a fight.

 

Good analogy Balbus.
So what you’re saying is your country is wedded to radical islam.

That explains why criticizing Islam is such a huge step outside of the UK government’s comfort zone


It's no wonder thar shit like this keeps happening
JIHADIS IN UK: Shock as 400 trained ISIS fighters return from Syria are now back HERE


It all comes together like the pieces of a puzzle

 

6

LOL – oh yes in your warped thinking all Islam is radical Islam and all Muslims are supporters if not members of ISIS.

Again I have to laugh as said there is a big difference between wanting honest debate and just trying to start a fight.

Lauren isn’t some sweet natured philanthropist she’s a media thug, what she and her neo-Nazis fellow travellers wanted was the equivalent of anti-Semites marching in a Jewish areas or Orangemen marching in Catholic ones, they only want to cause trouble not debate.

 

6’s post is interesting, a great insight into the way the far right thinks - anyone to the left of their views is a hard-line Stalinist any person who complains about racial discrimination is a potential terrorist and all Muslims are members of ISIS.

I’ve notice this in 6’s thinking and post before and pulled him up on it many, many times he like others on the right seem to have this very simplistic very black and white way of thinking. This is nothing new of course I mean take this quote from the chair of the California un-American committee to see how very little has changed on the right of US politics-

“If someone insists there is discrimination against Negroes in this country, or that there is inequality of wealth, there is every reason to believe that person is a communist”

And as such could be hounded, persecuted and deprived of a job.

Thing is that if you think in absolutist terms like so many on the right seem to, then it does become a matter of ‘them and us’, the ‘good’ and the ‘evil’ it’s the kind of thinking that promotes fear and paranoia (that can often be seen in right wing arguments especially in relation to guns) with all dials turned up to 11, and enemies everywhere.

People like that are not likely to think rationally or reasonably, the kind that think they are justified in causing trouble and hurting others.

 

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Where to begin...

No, I don't believe all 2 billion Muslims worldwide are wahhabists. That's ludicrous. But wherever islam predominates, political tyranny exists. I, like most liberals, hate religiously run societies.

I also don’t believe you are a literally a Stalinist or a communist, but you come across as a government supremacist who hints at the notion that Muslims are a protected class in the Oppression Olympics that must be shielded from ridicule and criticism. Whereas other groups and religions are fair game.

LOL! What evidence do you have that Southern is a neo-nazi? Is everyone to the right of you a Nazi now?

Are ALL right wingers and libertarians Nazis?

Need I remind you that Hitler was also a gun-grabbing socialist? For someone who accuses me of black and white thinking, you do it an awful lot yourself.

Southern is a great reporter. She has pointed out the double standard of the left wing when it comes to prioritizing Islam over the safety of young women in the UK. The UK opens its doors to known criminals and even terrorists who seek asylum. But an effective reporter with anti-sharia beliefs is somehow more dangerous?

The UK government is going to shit. They just threw a popular Youtuber named Count Dankula in jail for trolling his girlfriend for teaching her pug how to give a nazi salute.

As I’ve mentioned in this thread already in the quoted post below:

The fact that you're even on board with banning harmless journalists from the UK, only tells me that you're an opponent of free speech and the open exchange of ideas.

For a long time, one of the left's redeeming qualities was that they were very effective enforcers of keeping religion out of government. Now, they've become worse than the evangelical right when their religion is mocked. This was evidenced in my "Womens' rights or Islam" thread; you all chose Muslim bros before hoes .

 

Isn't the whole idea that a country has the right to decide who they want there very alt-right? Let's respect British culture and allow them to have that culture. This women is not British what right does she have to come there and push her foreign country views on them? Or does that only apply when they think the person is "left" or "Muslim"?