Leftism vs Rightism

That is what we need to drum into the minds of these economic conservatives.

 

lol. You're right. How could i be so stupid. The Cooloner has spoken.

 

I wasn't born as smart as einstein or as good looking as brad pitt. I'm at a disadvantage in becoming a science genius and a model/actor.

Why?

I know many actors and some have done modelling work, just because they don’t all look like Brad Pitt or Julia Roberts (although some do) does not mean they can’t become actors, that’s just stupid?

Also a friend of mines partner would be the first to admit he is no Einstein but he is a genuine rocket scientist and is a hell of a lot more of a science genius than most people. But to think you can only become a scientist if you are an Einstein is plain idiotic (also he was more of a mathematician). And anyway one of the greatest contributions a scientist can do is teach maths or science at high school trying to inspire a possible future Einstein.

What I’m saying is that society as a whole looses out if you exclude the potential of someone becoming a great actor or scientist just because of the soci-economic group that person was born into.

 

Take a look at hollywood and tell me its full of people that are considered ugly. It greatly reduces my chances.

Its nice that you completely ignored the model part

Notice i said i'm at a disadvantage in becoming. Do you honestly believe that someone who is born just above the legal mental retardation level is as likely as someone with 150 iq to become a science genius?

If someone is very intelligent they can get an education irregardless of their soci-economic group. I got a full ride to my state university(everything but books) and i would hardly class myself as very intelligent. The ones who would benefit most are the ones that arent super intelligent but could do something better than a garbage man.

There are so many options for paying for school in this country that i honestly dont feel bad. Can't afford the 5,000 dollar a year tuition at the local state college and arent intelligent enough to get a scholarship or poor enough to get financial assistance....join the military and they'll help. There are always options.

 

I completely ignore the model part by saying “and some have done modelling work” oh Meg maybe it is time you got glasses man.

So lets get this straight you don’t want to be an actor you just want to be pretty? And you don’t want to act in theatre it has to be Hollywood? You don’t sound like you want to be like Brad Pitt you sound like you want to be Brad Pitt? Hey man, tell us honestly how close do the courts allowed you to get to within Brad?

You accuse me of completely ignoring what you say (even when I haven’t) but you have missed the point about being born with the potential. You might be starstuck by Brad mate but if you haven’t noticed there are people in the word that are beautiful who are not actors or models, and don’t want to be. They don’t have the inclination or the talent.

What is it about potential you don’t understand?

If two people were born with the same potential but to different socio-economic groups and because of that one got educated the other didn’t, so one went on to be a rocket scientist and the other had to flip burgers to get by.

What a waste of potential due solely to unequal opportunity.

Possibly you don’t see potential only outcome, if you are a rocket scientist you must be smart and if you are flipping burgers you must be stupid?

“If someone is very intelligent they can get an education irregardless of their soci-economic group”

How most people born to badly educated parents with few resources to be spent on education, then the damage is likely to have been done even before the child reaches the public school system.

Then the disadvantages continue, people in richer economic brackets are more able to buy books, trips, a computer, even private tutors. So the gap is likely to widen in school so that by university the potential is lost.

 

I now remember why i always end up stop talking with you.

You waste too much time arguing semantics and nothing of substance. You take what someone says and then you ask a 'but what if' that has nothing to do with what the person is talking about. I don't care to play your game.

this is what i said..and i'll stick with it.

"I think you missed my point. Assuming everything is equal, a smart person is more likely to succeed than a stupid person. That is why i said we'll never have equal oppurtunity. We aren't born equal. I wasn't born as smart as einstein or as good looking as brad pitt. I'm at a disadvantage in becoming a science genius and a model/actor. Should i get AA benefits so i can become a scientist and a GQ model? Heck NO!

We are equal under the law. That is all."

 

I think you hit the nail on the head there. The problem really is that we value based on a monetary scale. This means it's a very difficult thing to change. I mean, to change a whole value system is going to be hard. But it really wouldn't matter what economic system we had, or even whether there were class divisions based on wealth if people valued each other for more than just money. For example, one of my uncles is pretty rich, much more than my own family, but he's a great guy and we all get along very well. But I doubt if I didn't know him as family that we'd have anything to do with each other. So, value in this case is not about money, it's about family love. Unfortunately, in society at large money rules. But at least we can see that there is more to life than money. Love, art, beauty, friendship, family, Nature, God. Being a good person, someone that people want to be around. These are the things that should hold value. Much more so than "I have money." I mean, so fucking what? What good have you done with it?

And what they disagree with is often capitalism!