Let me ask this

Well your first point is just asinine and her sex is irrelevant when talking about the science concerning and medical reasons for ED.
It just makes you sound like the misogynistic narcissist that you are.

Concerning your second point;

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Impotence

http://www.safersex.co.za/mens-wellness-erectile-dysfunction.htm

https://www.andrologyaustralia.org/sexual-difficulties-2/erectile-dysfunction-2/

http://www.johnshopkinshealthalerts.com/symptoms_remedies/erectile_dysfunction/99-1.html

http://books.google.com/books?id=YtsxeWE7VD0C&pg=PA402&lpg=PA402&dq=is+occasional+ed+normal&source=bl&ots=YYsnQzTKJH&sig=spQ_yJFGdsxtVZNykU3yAl42HN8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=JetlUbykB6jDiwLm34CQDg&ved=0CGMQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=is%20occasional%20ed%20normal&f=false

http://www.everydayhealth.com/erect...al-erectile-dysfunction-should-you-worry.aspx

http://health.usnews.com/health-conditions/sexual-health/erectile-dysfunction/overview

http://brown.edu/Student_Services/H...ducation/mens_health/erectile_dysfunction.php

http://thebestherbs.net/occasional-ed-in-young-men/

http://www.patient.co.uk/health/erectile-dysfunction-impotence

http://www.merckmanuals.com/home/me...sfunction_in_men/erectile_dysfunction_ed.html

http://my.clevelandclinic.org/disor...otence/hic_erectile_dysfunction_overview.aspx

http://www.webmd.com/erectile-dysfunction/guide/understanding-erectile-dysfunction-symptoms

http://www.hivehealthmedia.com/erectile-dysfunction-young-men/

http://www.nytimes.com/ref/health/healthguide/esn-erectiledysfunction-know.html

all pretty much agree with all that Inca has said as will any other articles or research to be found on the topic.

Face it, she pwned you.
be a man about it at least.

 

Bahaha. Indeed. Well done (and excellent work on the effort to find all of those sources!)

 

It’s the same damn thing, Inca. It doesn’t matter whether you’re referring to a brain sending an electronic signal or a person’s mental state of mind… it’s all "mental". Most people use the terms interchangeably and don’t differentiate between the two (and that goes for scientists as well). So don’t try and pull your little semantics bullshit with me.

Do you still refuse to admit that you do not really know/understand what it takes, be it secondary, tertiary, or whatever else??

Oh, here we go…. . Now you want to throw in variables. You clearly stated that a guy not being able to get it up every now and again was “perfectly normal.” That means EVERY MALE is grouped into your statement. Thus both young and old are referenced. You always want to box everybody in these little categories that fit what you've read and heard about. The problem is everyone doesn't fit in the box like you want them to. Yet you can't seem to understand that.

And you said nothing about drugs and such being in the mix, and we're not even talking about that. So don’t try to pull in those variables to help your case now.

Now are you going to finally agree with me on the point that it's certainly NOT normal for young healthy men to not be able to get erections every now and again? This is you time to earn some of that respect and credibility back.

 

Why would she agree with inaccurate information? She is right, you are wrong (as was demonstrated by all of the links in NoxiousGas' post). Period.

 

All guys have their off days, some more than others, especially if there's alocohol and drugs involved.

 

Unfortunately this debate was not about the medical reasons and causes of ED. Guess you missed that one . And her sex is extremely relevant when talking about what it takes as a male to maintain an erection.

You can have all the women you want come in here and talk all day long about what it takes for a man to stay hard, but none of them have any credibility to speak to the matter directly.

Why don’t you bring some people that actually have dicks into the discussion? I know if I was going into a debate about female orgasms I’d at least have some women that could speak credibly about the issue.

 

You didn't read the 2nd point did you? I'm not interested in links about the causes of ED. Quote and link to the part where it clearly states that it's "normal" for young healthy males to not be able to get erections every now and again.

One of your links even backs up what I'm saying. http://www.hivehealthmedia.com/erectile-dysfunction-young-men/ "This condition (ED) normally does not begin to affect men until they reach the age of 50 or so,". I don't know about you, but where I come from that means it's NOT NORMAL .

 

Actually if you read them all as I did, every single one says that occasional ED is completely normal.
ED is diagnosed as a problem when it occurs 25% of the time or more.
AND if you read the entire article it is about young men and ED.

How about this one cited as a source for that article;
http://www.webmd.com/erectile-dysfunction/news/20060501/erection-problems-may-affect-young-men

"May 1, 2006 -- Some young men experience erection problems and take erectile dysfunction drugs without a doctor's prescription.So says an anonymous survey of 234 men aged 18-25 at three Chicago universities. The researchers included Najah Senno Musacchio, MD, of Children's Memorial Hospital in Chicago.
The results, presented in San Francisco, at the Pediatric Academic Societies' annual meeting, include:

• 95% of the participants were heterosexual; two-thirds were white.
• 13% reported ever having difficulty getting or keeping an erection.
• 25% reported ever losing an erection while putting on a condom."

13% is a significant number, especially with such a small sample base.
By extrapolation, the numbers are probably even greater in the overall population, but I'm sure all that sciency and statistical kinda stuff makes your head hurt (the one on your shoulders, not little one you usually use to make decisions), so just understand that 13% is a big percentage considering your stance that it is almost non-existent in young men.

Then factor in the reality that the vast majority of men in that age group who do have a problem NEVER report it or seek medical help UNLESS it goes to the point that it is considered an actual medical problem.

So there is a group of young cocks reporting erection problems.

Happy now.




(I wonder how much longer this can go on, with each new post xxaru's IQ seems to be dropping. Before long it won't even be high enough for him to be able to type.)

 

As I have previously said, it takes neither male nor female experience when scientific facts are involved - but I guess you can't fix stupid, so your "experience" is totally irrelevant, because you cannot stay hard if the brain signals are not there or the signals are interrupted with no matter what you do.

So all your talk of what it takes to stay hard is completely wasted. Given that you still think brain = mental, your input means even less, and now I definitely know you can't fix stupid.

All you have done here is made yourself look childish, uneducated, ignorant and a misogynistic, along with a complete mocking of the condition by you due to your lack of scientific understanding of how your penis works.

Do some research - OG has posted many links for you, all which will agree with what I have told you, and everything I have stated and what is stated within those links is correct - everything you have stated is incorrect, right from when you told caligirl ED is not caused by performance anxiety.

I would like to thank everyone who has inputted to correct information in this thread, specifically Noxious Gas, who took the time and trouble to find the information. It is important that this condition is not ridiculed and that anyone suffering who finds this thread via search engines, has the correct information. So again, thank you

Xxaru - there are plenty of people with dicks in his discussion who know what the truth is and have disagreed with you. Finally, I will finish with a quote from a male in this thread for you:

From all your rantings xxaru, you are projecting that you *may* have an issue with your penis, yet are in denial, so my advice is to see your doctor instead of taking your frustration out in a forum.

You can't fix stupid. My guess is he will still twist words to make himself believe he is right and everyone else, scientific facts and all research is completely wrong. I am honestly startled how someone, even when presented with scientific evidence, still wants to repeat how women know nothing and how his own dick works.

I am sure that even a 12 year old would have understood by now that there are many components to a television to make it work, but if the TV wire is not hooked up to electric power, or the electric flow is interrupted, it cannot be turned on no matter how hard he tries to make it, so the components to make it all work become completely useless in that state, as they are 100 percent dependant on the power of electricity to work them. (Maybe he might finally grasp it?)

 

Must be everyone "except" the one I previously quoted then. I asked you before to highlight the actual quote from a study that says precisely that. Thus far you’ve failed to do so.

On the contrary, 13% does not denote normalcy. To put things in perspective, if we were in the single digits we'd be talking about a rarity. The percentage needs to be significantly higher to be considered normal... around 40% or more IMO.

But this is almost like the glass half full/half empty scenario. You want to look at the situation one way, while I’m looking at it from another way. So we’re never going to see eye-to-eye here. I’ll give you a perfect example. Kids can and do get type 2 diabetes. So one can say it’s not normal for a kid to get type 2 diabetes... yet one could also argue that because kids can and do get type 2 diabetes that it is in fact normal in the context of what's occurring in kids nowadays. If you just look at the numbers today, you can argue that kids being diagnosed with type 2 diabetes is not at all abnormal. But if you look at the big picture you can just as easily argue the opposite. Glass half full/ half empty.

I didn't say it was non-existant, I said it was not normal.

I don't consider a small percentage of young guys with erection problems to equate to a normal occurrence in the broad spectrum all young males. Perhaps you do, but I don't.

 

You keep wanting to talk about scientific data as if that has anything to do with you knowing the sensations of an erection and what you can do as a male physically/mentally to sustain, increase, and maintain a strong erection for prolonged periods.

I was waiting for you to start throwing insults around. Yet another tactic people employ when they can't prove their points intelligently. You want to try and insult me and keep gloating about how much of an "idiot" you're making people out to be, how "stupid" I am, etc. But the record shows you haven’t disproven a single one of my points thus far, not to mention you’re the one on here that has made specific quotes and continues to try and back peddle to say you never said what you said. The thread doesn’t lie. You can make yourself believe whatever you want. Why don’t you try to explain to everyone again how you never said (and meant) 100% mental .

Anyone can disagree with anybody over anything… it still doesn’t make them right. But you keep right on believing that. As they say, ignorance is bliss.

^^^ I don't know why you're addressing me from someone else's quote? Never the less, keep the insults coming. I don't have to resort to insulting people to get my points across in a discussion. You're looking like a REAL CLASS ACT now :2thumbsup:

 

the first one;
"Summary Erectile dysfunction (or impotence) is the inability to get or keep an erection. It used to be thought that erectile dysfunction was psychological in origin, but now we know that most cases are caused by a physical problem. Occasional erectile dysfunction is normal, but ongoing erectile dysfunction should be investigated by a doctor."


next;
"Occasional ED is normal. There is no need to worry about the occasional failure to get or keep an erection. Some of the causes of occasional ED include excessive intake of alcohol, anxiety and tiredness. One of the most common causes of ED is middle aged men is lack of sleep."

next one; follow this link from the page:http://www.johnshopkinshealthalerts.com/symptoms_remedies/erectile_dysfunction/99-1.html#1
"Although an occasional inability to maintain an erection is common and not a sign of a chronic problem, a doctor should be consulted if erectile dysfunction persists. Treatment depends upon the underlying cause of erectile dysfunction."

next;
"In addition to long-term ED, many more men suffer from situational erectile dysfunction, or short-term ED. Situational ED also results in the inability to get or maintain an erection, but only in certain situations. "This type of ED is usually temporary and can be caused by stress, fatigue, or too much alcohol," says Drogo Montague, MD, a urology professor at the Cleveland Clinic Lerner College of Medicine of Case Western Reserve University. "It is so common that every man experiences it sooner or later."

another;

"All men have difficulties with erections from time to time. The occasional failure to get or maintain an erection, which lasts long enough to have sex, can occur for a variety of reasons, including drinking too much alcohol or being very tired. The inability to get or maintain an erection less than 20% of the time is not unusual."

"Every man occasionally has a problem achieving an erection, and such occurrences are considered normal. Erectile dysfunction (ED) occurs when a man is

• Never able to achieve an erection
• Achieves erection briefly but not long enough for intercourse
• Achieves effective erection inconsistently"

Well I could go on, but why don't you just go and read the shit yourself instead continuing to make yourself look like the idiot you are.

Funny considering that is your default go-to tactic in just about EVERY thread you participate in where somebody calls you an idiot (rightly so).

You haven't proven or disproven a fucking thing except that you are certainly an uneducated moron.

If you haven't noticed, not a single other person in this thread agrees with you.............moron.

 

Your points have been disproven many times, it's just that you have dug a very deep grave in this thread and told yourself so much about being right, that you now believe you are.

My concern about your ongoing fixation with this wasn't an insult, but I guess only an adult could see that.

I am not talking scientific "data" - I am talking scientific fact. No one can argue with scientific fact, at least I thought they couldn't, but you seem to be trying to.

As I have told you many times, NO MAN ON EARTH can sustain, increase and maintain any erection if the brain power is off - because erections are 100 percent dependant on your brain/mind to begin with - everything else a male does to keep it up is secondary to brain/mind power. No one needs a penis to know that because it is how your body works scientifically.

Just as you do not need a vagina to know that "periods" occur every month, and if they don't occur, it is either because of pregnancy or a.n.other medical issue. That is also scientific fact.

Science tells us that if you drop an apple out of your hands it will hit the ground or the nearest point of contact. What you are trying to do is argue those facts and convince everyone the dropped apple will hit the sky and never touch the ground. No one needs to know anything about apples to know what will (scientifically) happen if they drop it. You really cannot see how foolish you are being.

 

I think anyone who's familiar with him knows that, in his mind, he's never wrong about anything. Never. So despite all of the evidence everyone's thrown his way, he still insists that he's right. At some point, you just have to throw in the towel and ignore the guy. Putting him on my "ignore" list is one of the best things I've done here, and keeps me from wasting energy and effort trying to debate someone who's never going to admit he might be wrong about something.

 

Yeah, it is reaching that point, his concern is not for ED sufferers getting the right information they need, but rather on him wanting to be so right.

My concern is about those who suffer from ED, having the right information on hand so they don't feel any less of a man or ridiculed. When it first happens to some men they really do go through a difficult time and it can easily be exacerbated due to their thoughts.

Every man should take comfort in the fact that it is normal to experience it now and again, most if not all men will experience it at some stage, and that it is unrealistic to expect rigidity every single time they have sex throughout their lives, so the odd time it does happen, it's nothing to worry about unless it continues to be an ongoing issue.

During such times, partners can be worth their weight in gold if they are supportive, understanding and keep showing love to their man regardless. The worst thing a partner of someone with ED can do is believe it is their fault, and project this thought subconsciously back to the man to the point of ridiculing.

It isn't easy for either partner, but specifically for men it must feel absolutely awful and crushing. The more (accurate) information that gets out there, the more it just might make a positive difference for some. That is what I hope, anyway.

 

I absolutely agree with you on all of that.

 

Nail on the head :2thumbsup:

 

I can only comment on the quote that you actually linked to, and it talks nothing about young healthy males. Sure, males may experience erection problems later in life, but we’re talking about what’s “normal” among young males.

Right… every time you guys resort to insulting me you only serve to make yourselves look bad. I bet you guys feel real big and bad now, that it takes an entire group of you to attempt to attack me, lol. You guys are a joke! You think because a couple people gang up together in an attempt to disprove someone’s point that it automatically means they’re right? Keep right on believing that.

 

Ironically, we both seem to think the same about each other .

No, you want to hurl insults at people, then at least be woman enough to stand behind your words. But you can’t even do that because you’re a fucking coward. You couldn’t handle me on your own, so you had to attack from a group strategy (like all cowards do) and you STILL can’t come out on top. You’ve belittled your own self by resorting to the insult game. You have no credibility and now you’ve lost respect due to your insults.

Now you can go try to mob together again like the little coward you are (perhaps bring in some new people) and attempt to insult me some more so you can pretend you’re making me look bad.

 

What about every other quote I posted from the articles linked earlier???

Oh, I see, you only will consider the articles that you think support your position, even though they clearly don't, and disregard the rest.



What a loser, go admire yourself in the mirror some more, Lord knows nobody here does.