let's get us a white history month!

Yeah, you hit a nerve because you thought it was white guilt. What the fuck would I have to feel guilty about?

 

I live in central florida home of the fucking rednecks and I have never seen that personally. Yes you hear on the news and read in the paper about these things happening but in my opinion if you are a black man don't fucking go to the heart of dixie and expect to get treated like a white man. Sounds fucked up right well lets put the shoe on the other foot. If a white guy was to go to the heart of the fucking ghetto he can't be expected to get treated like a black man. If the white dude does leave the hood it will be with out his car and wallet. Sucks but thats how our fucked up world is.

 

As an individual nothing, but as a race; you have much to answer for

Hotwater

 

in that case, hotwater, so do you. i'll never get apologizing for ancestors. there should be a time limit.

 

how are you going to say we have much to answer for, maybe you should get a time machine go back in time and tell the old bastards who started this bullshit that

 

yeah that would be like me telling Germans the same thing for fucking killing half my ancestors in concentration camps

 

bs. prove to me that every slaveholder thought black people were a seperate species. slavery is slavery is slavery. it's all ugly, no matter how you look at it, when you're a slave.

 

:iagree:

 

*chuckles* :cheers2:

 

Yeah, I tend to think after they got rich from the sweat of their slaves they used the 'seperate species' bit to justify it to themselves.

 

i mean, why don't we just go back further and tell the romans for killing the celts, the moors for enslaving the spanish? the egyptians for enslaving everyone. and everyone everywhere has to g back to their original patch of land they found unoccupied. what a crock of shit.

 

indeed. and lest we forget, white people were in on the abolishment movement, too. blaming everyone for some people being greedy and inhumane is just plain stupid. yup. i said it. stupid.

 

also some black people abuse the fact that they were treated unfairly and scream racism for every little thing. Let it go times have changed thank god, let it go and you will feel so much better. I don't to that shit to germans.

 

It really doesn't matter whether EVERY slaveholder believed that or not, but the many did support that. Read some publications from pre-civil war era on the subject. The slaveholders DID believe the slaves were an inferior species, as they saw blacks as being closer related to apes. They used this to trick their puritan mind into thinking its okay to beat, torture, and kill their "property".

As far as slavery being slavery, no matter what? That is completely false.

Read history about Native North Americans. It was common knowledge between most tribes that "slaves" were to be won ONLY from victory in war.

And their "war" was not mass killings, yes, some would die, but the majority would be captives. These captives were the slaves, they were brought to victors' home and there they would do labor and sometimes even be incorporated into the tribe.

This was also the case in South America. Slaves were treated as people, NOT PROPERTY, as was the case in the US. Although the slaves were often killed ritually, this was seen as a blessing to all humankind, not as an act of hatred.

Africa also displayed similar slave trade as in North America. China was a little different in their slave terms. India had a pretty "humane" (if you can even say that) way of treating slavery, as far as slavery goes, for the most part.

Read up on this stuff, it's important and has lots of ripple cause-effect to today's life.

The slavery relationship between Whites and Africans and Whites and Native Americans is some of the worse, because they truly believed that whites were superior. This alone shows that not all slavery is alike. Because of the vast differences in APPEARANCE made it easier, on moral grounds, to be more brutal (on a general scale) than any other slavery relationship in history.

 

do you think you'd give a flying fuck HOW you came to be enslaved? even when the tribes incorporated, they were still the lowest of the low, except in the case of the pretty ones. it still doesn't mean jack shit. slavery is over in the usa. and suddenly it's okay to be murdered because someone had "good intentions?" c'mon, man, grow some common sense.

i did my thesis on the antebellum south. yeah, it's been a lotta years, but one of the things i learned is that all that doesn't matter now. most of the people in the usa had nothing to do with slavery and even the slave holding fmailies frequently had very good relationships with their slaves. it's doesn't excuse anything, but people aren't evil and i've got nothing whatsoever to feel bad about, and i feel the same for every white person on this planet. people treat each other like shit. it's what we do.

the only thing i would have to feel guilty about is if i saw another human being being abused and saying nothing about it. history is history. however it resonates, sometimes you gotta end those waves to smooth out a better course.

 

There is the "cry wolf" thing sometimes, but it isn't something to "let go" because people will take advantage of that and racism will run rampant while the people with good intentions do nothing.

"Evil prevails when good men do nothing" -Edmund Burk

 

people take advantage of anything they can. good men do what good men do despite it.

 

Once again :iagree:

 

...I don't think you got my point. Of course it isn't right to kill slaves, but it wasn't out of hatred that they did this.

And I really don't think you read what I posted. Slavery among the Native Americans really wasn't slavery, they were often allowed to return to their tribe if they wished.

Slavery is not slavery is not slavery. Some forms of slavery are worse than others. Why do you think the term "wage slavery" came about? It surely isn't as bad as slavery itself, but it still sucked balls. Same with "indentured servitude" or the regulations set about in Black Codes, which essentially reinstated slavery, but sometimes you might get leniency in certain situations.

I'm just saying that whites, as a race, do have something to feel guilty about. And you saying we don't is kind of misleading when the other 7/8 of the world say we really fucked up.

 

Obviously no one is going to see eye-to-eye on this, there are some pretty strong feelings on both ends...

It isn't about placing blame on anyone or anything and it isn't like we have to DO something, it's just knowing your history, and being aware of it when things like racist remarks or just plain ignorance is shown.

It is HUMBLING. For so long Whites have been on their own little pedestal, and it is this same "hot shit" attitude that gets us in trouble as Americans.

We've adopted the race superiority from colonial/pre-colonial times and turned it into a political superiority on the global scale. And we are still yet to solve the race issue...