Yea I agree. The reality is that we all lie, and there are just some people who lie compulsivley. But we have to understand that those people typically are suffering from extreme insecurity and often depression (wether you believe in that or not) and they need to be treated with love, as hatred only fuels their fire. But what Aura is talking about as well, people who lie and hurt someone's feelings, this can be caused by several different things as well. For example, you have people who hurt other's intentionally for fun. Then you have those who are married and cheat on their spouse. And then you have those who are just as unsure of themselves as they are about other people. It is my firm opinion that everyone is a 'liar' and that we need to treat each other with compassion and respect. Until we are perfect ourselves, judging people is a bit like throwing ice cubes at the Sun, for lack of a better word, retarded. Sorry to be so blunt everyone, but none of you are any better than anyone else and you have ALL been in a situation to lie. Namaste family -
You know what is like throwing ice cubs at the sun? Seeking perfection and believing in that concept. I believe flaws are perfect. But at the same time there are ways we can be more conscious about how we affect other people in our lives, especially the ones we love.
I mostly agree with Relayer. I've met compulsive liars, but after a while their not hard to spot, and they usually get good jobs in business. Letting that get to you because their unhappy with their own life to do that, seems counter productive Everyone selectively edits their lives; only tells themselves the details they want to remember. If that's lying then what have you. Everyone tells little white lies to the people they love too. All the time, unless their the most reckless kind of dick.
Seeking perfection is most definitley retarded because it implies lack of a need for satisfaction, and as long as we rely on a human consciousness to be aware of our enviorment, the need to fulfill in the form of desire and sustenance will always reign supreme. The Soul, however, is not like this at all. But that's a matter for a different thread. But it is how we react to lies, as you say, how we treat others when we are wronged, that determines ourself. Judgement, in my opinion, kills the soul as much as lying. Both are, in their truest nature, evil -
All the time is not an understatement lode, I agree with you. Not everyone, sure, monks probably dont lie as often as the rest of us. But most of us will lie to save our impression on those who love us.
That doesnt make it okay buddy. Justifying yourself because you think most people would be the same in your situation? Get a grip
Nobody is asking you to agree Piaf. But it is my beleif that we are all in this life struggle together, and judgement not only implies that you are better than another person as well as incapable of their actions, but it causes a seperation that is often, temporarily, irreversible. -
Lyings actually so important in humans that they mark the age of which a person is able to lie a very important milestone in development. That's because before this, children assume that their perspective on the world is the only one. Lyings not a good thing, especially if it's something hurtfull to someone you love. But to some extent our societys built on lies.
Agreed. I challenege anyone to name ONE thing networked into the social fabric of modern society that is not run by liars. -
Guess what ? We are not in this struggle together. Its every man for himself. Thats the way I see the world. Maybe your world is different, but my world and experience taught me that we are trully alone. How many people can you honestly trust ? On how many can you rely ? Okay, this is so offtopic. Sorry.
A grip on what? This is like saying that America is within it's right and justified by attacking Iraq, yet the 'terrorists' are evil because they are trying to fight an opressor. If it was America that was invaded, we'd do the same thing. Justifying is a form of judgement but it is at least rational because it implies that we are not alone, rather than judgement, which seeks to single out a flaw in another.
I dont trust anyone Piaf. I only Love them all. And how are we alone? Could you build a car and drive it yourself? Would you make the parts? Would you build the road, grow your own food, cook your own grown food, sleep in your own house that you built, pay yourself with your own self made money? Come on now.
we are in this struggle together... i rely on myself, sure. not for everything though. i can trust a handful of people (excluding immediate family) with my life, for them to back me up when i need it, to be there to help even if its an inconvenience to them, for them to risk part of their life for mine - and i the same for each one of them. maybe i'm just lucky
Okay, physically we are not alone. In every other way we are. In the end, its only you and your thoughts. You can be surrounded by thousands of people and yet be all alone. I feel lonliest when I am surrounded by many. I dont trust anyone either. I trust myself and I trust God. Thats it.
Well ok, then we are on the same page Piaf. Im glad to find another who obviously share's my love for God. That makes us similar, and on the same mental struggle, doesnt it? I agree though, when it's all said and done, it's you and your Creator to Love. But I guess it's just my belief that we all end up in the same source from which we came, so I see all of this, the personal identification with the body and mind we all have, as temporary and as a time to learn and grow.
