Live Earth - ON NOW!!!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by fountains of nay, Jul 3, 2007.

  1. indian~summer

    indian~summer yo ho & a bottle of yum

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    yes bullshit is good for growing weed plants..uh i mean tomato plants...
     
  2. MollyThe Hippy

    MollyThe Hippy get high school

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    back to your criticism indian summer

    in every endeavor, if we look hard enough, we can find fault as we can find actually quite easily in this live earth event

    but at the heart of this initiative, is a collective consciousness coming from a place of love of bringing our focus to a place of wholistic understanding of the environment

    sure, there may be faults but let's not throw out the baby with the bath water as we continue this journey

    as from reading your post and the efforts of love you have made to bring about an awakening of the people, i hope you will somehow put this in perspective and nurture all of us to finding our beauty within

    i am sure as this was the first event, next year and today, there will be an increased focus on softening the environmental impact of the event

    perhaps even next year, the event will be solar or wind powered to a degree

    within all the means and ways of how we will heal our world, the love for each other is the way
     
  3. madcrappie

    madcrappie crazy fish

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    yes celebrities are hypocrites, big deal..... everyone knows that.... take live aid for example...... they wanted us to help the poor in africa, while they stayed in a hilton......

    but they know how to put on a good show at least. just dont give money to it, if you feel that way. myself?? Ill just watch the performances for free.
     
  4. MollyThe Hippy

    MollyThe Hippy get high school

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    we will be able to tell soon enough whether this event was successful or not by how many low-voltage fluorescent screw-in lightbulbs are sold in the coming days
     
  5. Gravity

    Gravity #winning

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    The mere fact these people have the nerve to throw a concert for EARTH, where they utilize TONS of electricity to do so while at the same time leaving a huge so-called emissions foot-print with their planes.. is waaay beyond hilarious.

    It's fucking hysterical!!!

    How is a concert going to save the inevitable anyway? I wonder if these TOOLS would throw a concert on the day a BOMB lands on their home. I'll bet they would. We got people dying and these people are throwing a concert for EARTH. Earth is just doing what earth does... It's going throw its natural phases. It has nothing to with man-made global warming.

    Honestly, what the fuck is so good about the Earth anyway? If humans are killing themselves I say it's all for the best.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ConPit7DUA

    ^ my theme song for medieval-evironmentalists.
     
  6. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    Hey, if we're GOING TO GO ANYWAY, we might as well have a HUGE PARTY to see the planet off, no?

    At least this concert's theme was extremely POSITIVE about what we can do. Unlike the MEDIA reviews which are extremely negative, only pointing out the "carbon footprint" of the event, rather than the IMPACT it will have on people who have NEVER HEARD of a carbon footprint.

    To raise awareness around the WORLD, all in one day, YOU WOULD HAVE to use a LOT of energy, regardless of the method used. Most ppl attending and performing at the concerts would've pretty much used the same amount of energy ANYWAY in their daily lives. All the artists are on their summer tours, and this event obviously fit into their already scheduled tours.

    As I pointed out earlier, the WORLD audience who watched on TV or Internet probably used LESS energy by staying at home. So the NET energy usage of the planet probably DROPPED as a result of the concerts.

    That is because the MEDIA has pretty much BOYCOTTED this event, or only mentioned it in derision because their OWN business interests are at stake here - don't you all REALIZE that?

    Don't let the MEDIA PROPAGANDA distract you from the REAL MESSAGE, which to me is the COMING TOGETHER OF PEOPLE on a planetary basis on this ONE HUGE issue that affects us ALL!

    Remember this ppl, the MEDIA, esp. PRINT media has the most to lose if we take action. So they have a vested interest in ATTACKING this event because they are one of the BIGGEST user of TREES, with a Carbon Footprint that makes this event look like a toothpick in comparison.

    So to save their ANTIQUATED, OBSOLETE business model, they MUST attack this event, by being even MORE HYPOCRITCAL cause they have the most to lose if people change their habits. Sorry no more NEWSPAPERS people! We don't need to kill a tree to find out what's happening anymore.

    Now can we talk about the EVENT itself, and not the politics of it, which belong in the POLITICS forum.
     
  7. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    See all you are doing is regurgitating the MEDIA propaganda without THINKING FOR YOURSELF. If that is the case, you are already "dumbed down". Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!

    You aren't giving me your well thought out opinions, but one that you heard elsewhere, which "seems" to make sense, based on irrelevant propaganda foisted on us by the MEDIA which seeks to undermine the message of this event.

    I think for myself, I don't let the media sway me one way or another. That's what I do. I read from competing sources on opposite ends of the political spectrum as well as the middle in the search for ACTUAL FACTS, not opinions.

    Then I form my opinions based on those facts, not the PUNDITS who would sway me to their cause and true designs which are USUALLY hidden from view.

    Why can't you realize that it is the CORPORATE MEDIA defending the CORPORATE imperative to exploit the world's resources to their own profit that have criticized this event and the organizers.

    It's absolutely no different to the PROPAGANDA that was used against those who OPPOSED THE WAR in IRAQ. Those who spoke out against the war were belittled, called unpatriotic, were attacked for being hypocrites, etc.

    THIS IS STANDARD MEDIA REACTION to attack those who demand change.

    ARE YOU PEOPLE FUCKING BLIND OR WHAT?
     
  8. MollyThe Hippy

    MollyThe Hippy get high school

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    many people like yourself have mistakingly understood that this concert was an external event as it is taking place in your heart

    this event is not about success or failure but about each of us waking up to our cosmic potential as spiritual aware beings of love

    there are no spectators to this concert, we are all the musicians

    whenever its time for sleeping folks to wake up and they continue slumbering, they tend to become grouchy and irritable

    the great mystics have taught, "we are all god"

    al is god 777

    "All movement is accomplished in six stages
    and the seventh brrrings return
    The seven is the number of the young light
    It forms when darkness is increased by one" - Syd Barrett
     
  9. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    Let's see...
    My laptop uses probably about the same energy as a 50 watt light bulb, speakers, maybe another 50. 100 watts. Lots of energy, right?

    Now if I hadn't watched that concert on my computer and instead had gone to an event in SF this weekend, I would've used two tankfuls of gas, polluting the air between here and SF with carbon byproducts. Multiply that by say TWO BILLION viewers who will see this event during the rest of the YEAR, using NO EXTRA energy, other than their computer system

    BTW, I watched this event while simultaneously doing my daily work, so the net extra energy consumed by this event by me was ZERO.

    The technology actually HELPED get the message out in the MOST effective and efficient form. If Al Gore were to mail out TWO BILLION informative brochures say, with this same message, it would've had far less impact, and a carbon footprint that would defy imagination.

    Enough of this MEDIA rhetoric that gets us nowhere.

    How about ppl discussing WHAT THEY WILL DO to help the planet.

    Don't you see how you are letting the MEDIA and CORPORATE world dictate this debate by distracting from the MESSAGE and attacking the organizers and performers? Shoot the messenger is the theme.

    Coming here and repeating Media talking points, verbatim is hardly what I would call "random thoughts" when they've been carefully calculated to distract the Global Warming debate by those who stand to lose from it.

    Are you going to continue let the CORPORATIONS dictate what we should think? Haven't we had enough of that yet?

    I've moved this thread to Politics now.
     
  10. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Hey let's all fight global warming like we did the hole in the ozone layer. I bet there was great music going on, but I was working so I missed it all.

    Wouldn't it be more productive to fight war?
     
  11. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    No it would however be much more productive NOT TO ELECT OIL MEN into top positions in gov't.
     
  12. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    You still think Bush is the one running the show, don't you? The man cannot even speak proper English, let alone run anything, including his own life. Yet you think he's running the country? If they're not oil men, they still represent the multinational corporations and big banks. Those who don't are the ones who are ignored by the media and don't get elected. There is nobody who stands any chance of being elected that haven't proven loyal to the unelected Elite that runs this country from behind the curtain. It doesn't matter if it's Giuliani or Hillary, or Barack Obama. All have been hand-selected and groomed for the positions they're in.
     
  13. indian~summer

    indian~summer yo ho & a bottle of yum

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    skip you're talking out of your ass

    in the first place i must say, yes i do know that the media is in fact run by 7 main corporations, news papers, television, magazines, radio... everything run by 7 corporations (if you want me to cite this information i can't right now for it was on paper i received in high school years ago, but no doubt i will surely go try and find something just so i can be able to shove some information down your throat like you love to do you us :) )

    bush is a puppet, considering how amped you are on this subject i would think you would know that....or is that just your double standard? that we are all so misinformed and you skip are our all knowing god

    what do events like this one and other events like live aid, live 8..fuck even woodstock do exactly? these events do nothing to change peoples views, we have been brainwashed so far back we can't even realize...and by brainwash i will again use your word misinformation… information is a privilege given to the masses solely because of the effects of power and control it has, a little information and we feel like gods in our own right, but we are all being pulled along by the rich, by the elite, by the truly powerful, and most of us don't even know it

    even the way you are raised through parents or guardians they pass along this brainwashing so far deep in our minds that we can't even realize it

    what am i doing to change the world you ask? well right now i'm purely living, i'm living i'm learning, i'm teaching...i am still so very young and i have so much potential...i aid in peoples recovering, in their mental well being, i'm going to school to become a doctor, such fun…a psychologist in fact

    and yes skip, i am in fact blind… legally blind due to an accident i had in high school


    maybe i am just too cynical but i do not think that events like this one truly have pure and righteous intentions at their hearts, they just give off that appearance so that the 'COROPORATIONS' can lay their bed next to unsuspecting people, it could also very well just be a age old magicians trick of misdirection...we all look at the lovely earth saving concert and we can watch our favourite performers come on while the governments use our distraction to their advantage

    maybe in a few years time we'll have saved the earth and stopped polluting our homes
    i could put more cynicism behind this but i'll stop it here
     
  14. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    What about stopping our countries, the US and the UK from developing new nuclear arms, shouldn't this be an environmental concern?
     
  15. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I would think the risk of nuclear accidents would be far more immediate than the formulas worked out by mathematicians about global warming which may or may not take place.

    Why is it that the media never mentions the fact that new nuclear weapons are being developed currently in New Mexico?

    http://www.nowpublic.com/new_mexicos_nuclear_governor_grooming_bill_richardson_bob_anderson

    Let's have some rock concerts against the build up of arms. I'd go out of my way to attend.
     
  16. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Actually, it's four corporations that control the media, Indian~Summer. It USED to be seven. It's these globalist-controlled media outlets that are actually promoting manmade global warming.
     
  17. indian~summer

    indian~summer yo ho & a bottle of yum

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    4 eh...wow...do you have a site or something that states that?
     
  18. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Just Google it. It's General Electric, Viacom, Time-Warner, and Rupert Murdoch's "News Corporation".

    Oh, and I almost forgot Disney, so make that five.
     
  19. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    I NEVER SAID Bushit runs the country. Everyone KNOWS Cheney makes the decisions, as is very plain these days (don't you keep up with the news?). But Bushit is the PERFECT FIGUREHEAD due to his incompetence and stupidity. He absolutely represents the failings of the Republican party and the Capitalist system.

    If Cheney had been president, he would've never been able to carry the public the way Bush did for six years. So you can't rule out Bush at all. In fact his FAMILY has WAY MORE influence than you give credit for.

    Denying the impact Bush has had is denying reality.

    Too bad our next president WON'T be Guiliani, Hillary or Barack Obama, I can just about guarantee that. So these HAND SELECTED, HAND GROOMED people you mention aren't really even going to be in the running, so what are you even talking about.

    It's gonna be Thompson vs Gore if things continue as they are now.

    Gore deserves to win, imo.

    Now are you done TELLING LIES about me?

    I just had to refute 2 lies in another thread.

    I think I'll just ban those who fabricate stories about what I've said. I've had it now.

    If you're gonna discuss ANYTHING I said from now on, it better include a QUOTATION, so you can backup your claim, otherwise you're just a troll.

    I do agree that it is a few Media corporations that have CONSPIRED TO PAINT THIS EVENT AS A FAILURE, they have attacked the organizers, the performers, the carbon footprint, etc. They have failed to EVEN DO a proper review of the music, instead attacking ppl like Madonna as having faked her guitar solo, etc...

    All this is to DISTRACT from the message of Global Warming, because if people fight global warming it will mean the END of newspapers (which are now obsolete anyway). So they are just protecting their business interests BY CENSORING THE MESSAGE OF THE EVENT.

    But it doesn't matter ONE BIT, because the message will eventually reach more than ONE BILLION people despite Media attacks on it.

    Corporate media WANTS YOU TO THINK this event was a failure.

    Corporate media WANTS YOU TO DISCREDIT Al Gore and his message.

    Corporate media Doesn't want AL GORE to gain any more political traction from this event, as he may run for President.

    If you don't believe this, just wait until Gore does decide to run. You will have a HARD TIME finding any positive stories about him in the major media.

    FUCK THE MAJOR MEDIA!

    TV has just about killed itself off anymore with the lack of quality programming, the endless commericials, the LACK OF REAL NEWS, just opinions, the flashing bullshit banners that now appear on nearly every channel, etc.

    It's time to STOP watching TV, stop READING the mass-media, and find alternative sources.

    We can FUCK the major media by organizing boycotts against it. The fewer targets there are, the easier and more effective the boycott.

    So as Corporations continue to consolidate, we have fewer "enemies" to fight, resulting in a tighter focus. The consuming public could potentially bring a multinational corporation to its knees if the people get organized.

    This is beginning to happen. Many bright minds are discovering new ways for the PEOPLE to express their power by UNITING online and demanding change.

    I really like what Cindy Sheehan has planned for Congress. She's going to organize a group that will target individual congresspeople for removal based upon their voting records. You should check out her site for more info.

    So Rat, Indian Summer, your claims that Gore is in bed with Corporations and the machine, don't seem to make sense if they're not supporting HIM and his event, and aren't hyping his global warming message which is supposed to be part of this "New World Order" delusion they're foisting on us, right?

    If it were true, the major media would've hyped the event, hyped the global warming message, if Al Gore was really part of the machine, no?

    I think you've proved your own arguments false, and your conspiracy theories invalid. Thanks! :)
     
  20. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Telling lies about you? Pssh. If that's what you want to believe, Skip... that I have been telling "lies" about you.

    If Al "New World Order" Gore was as anti-corporate and pro-environment as you are making him out to be, then let's take a moment or two to ask ourselves these very legitimate questions....

    Gore and his family own LARGE amounts of stock in Occidental Petroleum. Gore, being the executor of his family's trust, has controlled literally HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS in Occidental stock. And, if I not mistaken, Oxy is quite well known for its environmental disdain, drilling in environmentally sensitive areas and creating all sorts of ecological havoc.

    More about Gore's dealings with big oil can be found here.

    Do you honestly not see this as a major contradiction on Gore's behalf? I mean, we can talk about his four mansions and his extensive jet-setting, but most people already know about this, so it would be a waste of time to go over it again.

    How about Gore receiving $20,000 a year in royalties from the zinc company that operates on his property in Tennessee. In case you don't know how HARMFUL zinc mining is to the environment, well, it is VERY nasty stuff. This is perhaps why Tennessee has cited this company on numerous occasions for contaminating the river next to Gore's property with zinc, barium, and all other sorts of contaminants.

    What about all the money Gore has received over the years from the biotechnology industry, from horrible anti-Earth, anti-human corporations like Monsanto? It shouldn't come as a surprise to most people that the former attorney for Monsanto is the first cousin of Tipper Gore. One of the current members of Monsanto's board of directors served as legal counsel to Gore from 1997-2001.

    What about when Gore was serving as VP with Clinton, when legislation was signed into law allowing for high levels of bovine growth horomones in the meat and dairy Americans consume? Let's look at how Gore and Clinton approved people from Monsanto to positions high within in the FDA, which, sadly, many people naively believe is looking out for their safety when it comes to what they put into their bodies.

    To a more recent example of blatant hypocrisy, Gore's son was arrested for drug possession last week. But wasn't it Gore who dismissed the use of medical marijuana back in 2000, while at the same time proposing a $500 million dollar mandatory drug testing program? In addition to this, wasn't it Gore who wanted more bureaucracy to "beef up" the bogus war on drugs, which entailed adding more drug courts and imposing tougher penalties on drug users?

    I could go on and on, but I think you get the point.

    These are legitimate questions that anyone who thinks critically would ask themselves, much like people questioning the validity of an event like 'Live Earth', which utilized enormous amounts of energy, released more C02 into the air with flights going to and from the event, transporting eco-hypocrite phonies like Madonna, who owns two Range Rovers, a Mercedes, a Mini Cooper and who knows what else!

    Again, I could go on and on and on, but you would just tell me I am parroting what the media is telling me, as if none of this is actually true.

    I am quite frankly sick of hypocrites telling people (especially ME) the way they must live their lives, when the average person has a far smaller "carbon footprint" than these egomaniacal elitists, who are worshipped like gods by some of the most gullible and uninformed people.

    You say the media wants people to ignore Al Gore and discredit him, but they're the ones who have been giving him enormous amounts of airtime with his books and his latest movie. Everyone knows about Gore's movie, and that wouldn't be possible if the media wasn't shoving it down everyone's throat. Everyone knows about global warming, and most people have swallowed the constant fear-mongering about how it poses an imminent threat to humanity, and how we must all clamor to the government to save us with more taxes, laws and regulations.

    I would not be surprised if Gore does decide to run, and that would explain all the publicity he's gotten over the last year since his movie was released, which the media has been more than willing to supply him with.
     
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