that's a good metaphor, lisa. what if, god is a house, and love is a room in the house. and when you walk into that room, you say, "god is love." and then, you walk into the sadness room, you say, "god is sadness." and so on? not disagreeing with you or anything, i really don't have an opinion on this either way... i'm just doing some beard-pulling. hehe peace,
beard-pulling is good well in my opinion love is god, but lets say they are different, and indeed love is 'a room' in god than it should be so that when you enter the room love, everything is love, and if you enter room sadness everything is sadness. and that's the exact reason why i think love and god are the same, i see more 'force' behind love than sadness. y'know what i mean?
yes. you're saying that love is a higher state of perfection than sadness or hate, or those things. this is the thinking behind those who say, 'cigarettes and alcohol are bad' (as an example) because they are lesser on the ladder of perfection, where good health and protection of the body are higher on that ladder. the other way of thinking is that, god is everything - cigarettes are a part of god, hate is a part of god, all these things are god. .. hrmmm.. peace,
okaaaaay new statement all is everything, and worship all aaah hell (or heaven it's all the same, y'know we could all worship neutralism!) i'm just saying something too
On love and attachment: Attachment is very powerful, yes. But it is not productive. Through attachment, we are constantly making demands, whereas in love, we are always giving. Attachment is about me, what I want, what satisfies me, what makes me feel good. Love is about the beloved, what can I do to make their life better, to make them happy, etc. Also, a careful analysis will tell you that attachment is a certain source of all sorrow. The nature of the world is change, nothing is permanent. But when we are attached to something we want it always, permamnently with us. We want to possess, to own. Then there is the constant worry of safeguarding what is ours. These things are bound to shatter sometime, giving rise to sorrow. On emotion: In the discussion between nitemare and lovelightlisa, the terms love, sadness, anger, etc have been used in terms of emotions. As emotions, they are on the level of the mind. What this means is that they are limited and they are results of attachment. God, on the other hand, is on an entirely higher level, where the mind is transcended and attchments are cut aside. God is the consciousness that illumines the mind, therefore powering everything that goes on within it. These emotions are in God, they are powered by God's light, yet God is not in them, for God is pure and without attachment. In the state of God consciousness or enlightenment, all these emotions exist, but in a very different way. On the mind level we love something, we hate someone, we are happy because of something. Once we go beyond, then we see ourselves in everything, so our love for all is our love for ourselves. It is that perfect, for the love oneself is the most firm and unshakeable. When we see that self in all, then we love ourselves only.
i don't know. sometimes i feel like i love things that i don't know, like when you see a lady walking down the street eating an orange or something, and i feel joyful, and i feel like i love her. and sometimes i feel that i love things in a more focussed way, like i fiercely love one small person in the world and ignore everything else, don't even care about anything else. in this case, i feel as though i have actually found love, because of its fierceness and strength and its being without vagueness and generality. i remember once telling a friend who asked me about love, that i thought it was like a scrabble board. all the squares are love, but sometimes you hit the double letter score, which is cool but not that cool, and sometimes you hit the double word score, which is really good, and sometimes you hit the red squares in the corners, which are triple word scores, and the best you can get. LOL...
HAHAHA....... that cracked me up. i should incorporate that line into my wedding vows if i ever get married; people would be like, "..uh, did she just refer to scrabble?"
Another thing that you might want to ponder, nitemarehippygirl, is that hate is not the flip side of love. Fear is the absence of love, just as cold is the absence of heat. Different emotions come from fear, such as hate, such as anger, such as sorrow, etc.
haha... yes, i'm always playing scrabble. **possible hidden meaning alert** lol the poor buddhist forum... hm. i feel like i should say something relevant. i watched the ending of the iron chef at someone's house last night; there was a zen buddhist monk cooking against the iron chef, but he lost. even the buddha can't beat the IRON CHEF. *blink*
You might be really interested in a little book called The Universe is a Green Dragon by Brian Swimme. It has everything to do with your thoughts and questions about love. It's a very 'trippy' book, in that it very practically shifts all perceptions of love from a cosmological perspective.
pfffffffr................. this thread, this thread is lost, along with everything between my ears. haha
