LSD a stimulant?

Uhm, OK.
Simply put, LSD and other psychedelics are chemicals that elicit certain responses and effects in the human nervous system. Some are cognitive in nature, some are physical.
The thing I get annoyed at is when people try to apply some deeper meaning to effects that are simply physiological in nature and carry no deeper meaning then how a certain chemical substance effects our physiology. why the need to apply layers of meaning to such basic, common and simple physiological effects.
I'm much more interested in the cognitive effects.

But whatever, I just try to convey such things, cognitive and physical, effects into language that ANYBODY can understand, even those who never took LSD.
One of the biggest barriers in those opposed to drugs is the horribly vague and overly fanciful language used to relate the experience. That is why I said before that having a broad vocabulary suites a psychonaut well because then they can relate the experience to a wider audience.
From experience and on a intuitive level I understood what he, and you mean, but the language used leaves a lot to be desired as far as communicating the experience is concerned.

True that the psychedelic experience can only be fully comprehended by experiencing it, but why not try to relay our experiences in a manner accessible by all?

 

I think the fanciful language is not horribly vague, i think this is your interpretation. Simply saying jaw grinding and stimulation is actually much more vague terms I think in regards to trying to relate the experience. Are we talking about LSD or crystal meth? I even think some of those who replied in this thread who have used LSD view the word 'stimulation' in a negative light and tried to use euphemisms like arousal. There is certainly 'energies' experienced that's just different than stimulation on LSD though.

I mean I understand where you are coming from and I do agree that sometimes it's a bit over the top but I think that kind of matches the nature of the LSD experience quite well and I certainly feel 'energy' coarsing through my body when i'm on the drug, eventhough I rarely attach some deep mystical meaning to it.

Speaking more in regards to MDMA experience since that's what i'm more familiar with but I know it can be applied to LSD, maybe even more so, jaw grinding is certainly an effect that can be controlled if the focus (or lack of focus maybe) is there. I find with MDMA you may kind of miss out on some of the more interesting cognitive and sensation type effects if you concentrate on something like focusing on not grinding your jaw but it definitely can be maintained, and i'm terrible with the jaw grinding. My buddy told me once that I do the worst jaw grinding he's ever seen, but i've had some rolls where it's been a bigger priority of focus (like when rolling at home) and I've not even had to chew gum or anything.

 

They elicit effects in the human energy system. When you have out of body experiences on LSD, or other psychedellics, there is no physical nervous system within your awareness, but the effect is still present. This is why metaphor that relates only to hard solid physiology is not sufficient to describe the effects of LSD. There is more to be experienced than that which is physically manifest, what registers to your nervous system does not encompass all that your awareness can experience.

I also feel that the word 'energy' or 'prana' is a necessary word to be integrated into human collective concioussness. I've philosophized in the past that the first time someone can actually fully comprehend the word 'energy' and what exactly it is pertaining to is perhaps one of the single most important cognitive developments a human can undergo at this point in time. I don't see any reason to avoid refering to 'energy' or 'prana', the subtle energies that precede physical manifestation. This word, concept, and actually existing phenomena this word refers to should be presented more readily to humanity.

 

The above illustrates the apparent differences in what we are talking about. I am restricting what I have said to the purely physiological effects of the substance/ You are co-mingling spiritual experience with physiological effect.

I completely understand what you are referring to in this regard, and have much the same beliefs regarding spiritual or psychic effects, but a I am also able to differentiate between that and physiological effects.
There is a point at which the two are interrelated, but a huge shit eating grin that results in a sore jaw and neck isn't necessarily predicated by the functioning of "prana", it is just a side effect of the substance.

That is just the way I am and how I view things. I always compartmentalize the different aspects and facets of an experience or issue and discuss those "compartmentalizations" while still maintaining an understanding of the inter-connected nature of all the different facets.

So we are just referering to different facets of the same experience.

 

About 8 years ago in Scotland i got these mdma pills that were dosed with LSD, they were stamped with a Jesus fish and mental, no one realized at first. just though they were standard E and the double droppers, myself included ended up in a fucking mess, few people had some bad trips and ended up in the Hospital which is when it came out that the E were cut with LSD.

They were only around for a week or so, i had enough for a few weeks and what a splendid few weeks they were. Never came across anything like them since

 

^^^wow MDMA cut with LSD. Thats extremely rare and I'm skeptical but if thats what the hospital results showed guess its hard to argue. That must have been a shit ton on L in those things, definitely would be an interesting trip if you had an idea what was in it.

 

They were absolutely fantastic but there was only 500 of them, a friend brought them back from Holland. When he bought them he was told they were just pure MDMA tabs. Bet the dealer was pissing himself laughing at the thought of what would happen when they got taken.

They were some trip, the first time i took 2 and was off my nut, i knew something wasn't right when they kicked in, it was few people that were swallowing 4 and 5 that ended tripping balls and ended up getting picked up by the police that took them straight to the hospital. 1 was good but 2 were brilliant, i never took more than yhat coz i saw what happened to those other fuckers.

Id love to get some more but like i said ive never seen them since

 

When I take a low to medium dose yeah I get a rush. On high doses if I don't KEEP moving then I just sit in one place tripping balls.

 

When I said "imprison the energy", I ment exactly that. Anyway, that is my personal view, and I am not forcing anybody to believe it or not to think differently. I was just telling from my personal expirience, and beforeI knew how to keep energy flow, I was also getting tired and worn after tripping. But then, I discovered that energy (and I mean energy) can flow differently and istead of overwelming you, it can actualy recharge you, as long as you pass it through you, istead of keeping it in you.

To explain this a bit futher, I will give you an example.

If you hit a high dose, and it starts overwelming you (like you said clanched jaws and so on), if you concentrate on exactly that, it will drain you, and yoiu will feel tired like hell after the trip. But, if you start meditating that that overwhelming feeling is love and you give it to everything, plants, animals, people, earth, planet.... anything that comes to your mind, it actualy starts relaxing your muscules and powering your mind and feeling of love. I used to visualize the planet and that feeling of love like a light slowly starting on one spot and moving all around the planet, and almost every time, there was more and more lights starting and doing the same thing, like you are connecting to others doing the same thing. When the whole planet glows and pulsate from love, that used to recharge me so much that I could go for few days without sleeping after the trip. And there was no muscle pain or feeling tired, it was like beeing reborn stronger and happier.

I believe that explained this way is compeletely clear to everyone what I meant, will somebody understand what I am talking about is another story, specialy if they didn't try lsd. But I don't think it shouldn't be said at all just because somebody who didn't try it can't understand. There is plenty of people who tried lsd and this can help them easy they trip if they feel overwhelmed after.

Peace and love!!!

 

So we are really just saying the same thing but using different language.

:cheers2:

 

so everybody can understand, this or that way

 

. Wrong thread. Tripping apparently...