LSD and Availability (not bad thread)

I read the TiHKAL entry for LSD and it's ridiculous. It's like, magnetically stirred and all sorts of shit, the how to make is 3 or 4 paragraphs in sciencese.

 

a magnetic stir plate is pretty standard equipment for a science lab. i could handle the magnetic stirring part

what do you mean by "figure out it's binding?"

 

Overpriced.^

Sorry. I got lost in the threads. I thought a comment on the first page was the last comment posted. Pardon.

 

i was confused, but now i see

 

well i mean to figure out it's components,it's amides and such. probably should have stated that more clearly

 

Owsley doesn't count.
We are talking about a man who had an IQ close to 170.
I imagine he could have done just about anything he put his mind to regardless of any formal education.

 

What do you mean Owsley doesn't count? He's the most notable figure of underground LSD production in the 60's.

 

He means that Owsley is the exception to the rule. He only succeeded in making acid without a shit-load of training because he was a total genius.

 

You can still do that. A chemical synthesis is public knowledge, the trouble is making it. And with the internet it's even easier to find this stuff out.

 

That's like saying Michael Jordan was such a gifted athlete he could have been good at any sport so his contribution to basketball 'doesn't count'

Makes no sense.

Be like Mike ... Or Owsley in this case.

 

Yup.
Not anyone of average IQ could do some study in the library and then turn out legendary quality substances like Owsley. He was one of those one-in-a-million beautiful mind kind of people. Who knows, maybe he was DaVinci in a prior life.
He probably read the Sandoz procedure and said "Pfff, no problem", whereas you or I would read it and be

GB you should know by now that most of my posts are of the slightly tongue-in-cheek lame attempts at humor.

Don't be so serious all the time, your a cool, intelligent guy, but a little high strung at times I think.
:cheers2:

 

Oh Yah sometimes its difficult to perceive humor and intent over the net but it 'BEAR' repeating.

 

this is kind of off topic of where you guys were going with this but I checked into the whole silk road thing and just not that computer literate, like i said i will just happily wait til she finds me, but there are some very interesting points being made, I hope there are people synthesizing for the love of lucy and not simply the dollars, (i know the risks but cmon) I just kind of feel that it is something really special and should be tried by the masses, I know that will never happen but you never know

 

Ha, GB and NG... way to play nice :2thumbsup:

I'd figure NG would know that part about Owsley... I don't recall where I read it might have been BOEL, but the guy showed genius IQ in grade school, winning science fairs with things he built, etc.
He was responsible for some of the early success of the Grateful Dead by custom building sound systems for them. In a day when electronic equipment for music was prehistoric he built the wall of sound.

Using the comparsion to M Jordan is a bit disingenuous though, MJ has a very specific talent that might not translate into just any old thing. Owsley had a genius mind that could tackle science and apply it to creating. So in that sense I don't think pointing to him is proof that anyone can read a book and make acid.

Laffed at "Bears repeating"

 

It was tried by the masses, remember the 60's?

But really like I said earlier, LSD is only really made for profit if anything nowadays. when maybe ten chemists, give or take, in the world are the only ones still making a chemical that is still very much sought after and quite popular, it's a pretty profitable chem. regardless of whether or not the few makers are also lovers.

 

Don't fool yourselves with over-romanticized notions of brotherly love and shit.
Owsley made a buttload of money from LSD, not that he really needed it, he came from money, but none-the-less he profited from LSD. Sure he gave away millions of doses, but he sold tens of millions.

You talk about the Brotherhood, they made millions off the sale of LSD, and it more-or-less became a traditional crime/drug operation towards the end.

Romantic nostalgia is warm and cozy, but rarely reflects reality.

 

Not anyone can play basketball and win multiple championships either, but the point I was making is that Jordan inspired people to emulate his skill set and thus changed the game. Eventhough Stanley may have been a rare mind, I would think there are some individuals in the acid scene that could emulate him as well. But Perhaps colasisof I'd is correct though in that elements of the scene are shallower these days and now LSD manufacturing is mainly for profit.

 

I think you're right about the profitable properties of LSD in the 60's but I have to disagree with your first statement there. Although the brotherhood made LSD for extreme profit, I really do think that many of the members of the brotherhood were also in it for the widespread use of the chem as well.

I mean, I remember the first time I ever dosed or even tripped for that matter. I wanted to tell as many as I could about the euphoria and the answers I apparently held. A fulfillment of answers to say the least

just my 2 cents

 

I believe that all the founders/heads of the group did start out with altruistic intentions, but piles of undeclared cash can be a hard thing to resist, and lots of well meaning people have been lured to the dark side by the greenbacks. :devil:

 

Ordering from SR is always a little bit of a risky business, because you don't really know who you're dealing with. By that I mean there is no quarantee that what you get is what you actually ordered. Keep in mind that there are numerous other phenethylamines (e.g. 25I-NBOMe) which are somewhat similar to LSD when it comes to their effects, yet they most definitely are not identical (I personally find the stimulative component of all NBOMes unpleasant as I prefer more calm trips). It's quite tempting to sell 25I-NBOMe or other 2C-derivates as LSD because the price for those is a fraction of LSD. And people short of cash and willing to make some easy money are always around.

To make things at least a little bit safer when ordering anything from SR, please read the SR Forums and especially the review threads to get at least some kind of an idea what vendors might be trustworthy. Pay special attention to something called 'The Avengers LSD Vendor Reviews' -thread.

Being without contacts is bad, but things have gotten better since the SR came around. But the old wisdom still stands: it's best not to buy/take anything not gotten from a person you know and trust in the real world.