LSD and psychic power.

The mind is never, ever to be confused with the brain. Read some Descartes and get back to me.

 

See that's exactly how i used to think. I still don't know the logical explanation to psychic energy, but i do know it's real and that's all i really ever need to know. I don't believe in magic either, i just believe in psychic energy. I don't believe in ghosts or god or jesus either but i am alot more open to those possibilities than i ever was before.

 

You guys saying the mind and the brain is different, i still don't understand that, and tbh i don't really care.

 

You might be more effective if you put your thumb on your nose and wiggle your other fingers and say"na na na"

 

Yeah, that's just the honest way to do things

 

The mind and the brain certainly are not the same thing. This is so obvious to me that I am actually more interested in monist arguments. I don't see how one can equate something that is clearly physical with something that is clearly not. Although, it is my belief that the mind cannot exist independently of the brain.

 

To me, this belief implies that the mind is a product of the brain.

 

Yup, I won't deny that. But that does not equate the two.

 

It sort of does, in my mind.
Funny, how I use the word "mind" as a possession.
So who is the I that possesses...

 

What energy keeps an organ alive?

 

Descartes lived in the 17th century and was mainly a philosopher without posessing the current knowledge we now posess of the human body... besides.. just because he is famous doesn't make him flawless and all-knowing. My personal theories are no less valid just because Descartes disagrees with me...

 

what about me running around naked? haha

 

Interesting. I don't believe that I ever referred to him as flawless and all-knowing.
Any knowledge of the human body is just that....knowledge of the human body. This doesn't really impact the mind, unless you believe that the body produces the mind through some means.
As for whose theories are more valid, I think there might be a reason Descartes is famous...

 

nutrition from food broken down with the aid of oxygen, water, and energy from food that was previously ingested. Of course this cycle is started with energy passed from the mother via the umbilical cord... what's your point?

 

I think he meant more of what is the force that is compelling this breakdown of chemicals to continue.

 

no, but by bringing him up, certain things are inferred, like the inference that his opinion is more valid.

And personally, I do think that the mind is a product of the body. It exists through the processes of the brain... self awareness is simply a product of an organ, namely the brain... that's my entire point. I suppose you believe that the "mind" continues on after the body is gone as well huh?

I'm not debating that fact that the body and the mind mean two different things in our daily speech, only that the mind can not exist without the body, that the mind is a product of the body itself... vision is to the eyes what the mind is to the brain.... its a product of the organ... you don't think that the world is actually as our eyes see it do you? no, because our eyes only observe a portion of the electromagnetic spectrum... certain insects for example can see ultraviolet shades that aren't perceivable to us humans... our "vision" can see to be a thing of its own if you perceive it in that light, the mind is the same way... do you not see that most of our personality in general as humans are part of a survival technique so that our genes might be passed along? the fact that we're speaking now is directly because of our social nature as an organism... a trait that exists for us to survive... yet to me, in my "mind" it feels like I "want" to talk to you about this. Are you seeing my point at all? Even love itself is just a survival trait to cause us to pass on DNA. Most of what we do as an organism is strictly to ensure that our DNA continues to be passed on. We mistake it for "self" and "will" but we just perceive it that way because we're meant to perceive it that way.

 

the mind is not the same as the brain
yea the mind is dependent on the brain, you need a brain to have a mind, but they aren't the same. the brain is physical, tangible. the mind is NOT.
just like a bird needs wings to fly - but "flying" and "wings" are not the same thing.
get it yet?

 

there is no "force" its just a system working that way that it works. why does water feel compelled to rise into the atmosphere and form clouds and then fall back to the earth? it doesn't its just part of a system that's in place.

our body system is started when we're conceived.. it runs until it fails... its that simple, nothing is "compelling" it to go on, its just doing what it was made to do.

 

like I said, in language its not the same thing, that's not what I meant... just saying that one is dependent on the other, if you agree with that, then we're on the same page... but someone was saying that they are two seperate things not dependent on each other.

 

I did not mean it as such, sorry if that is how you felt. I simply thought you might enjoy his writings if you weren't aware of them already as an alternative point of view.

To speak personally, I believe the mind is a product of separative existence, and is no more permanent than the body is. It is necessary for manifestation of individual beings existeing in the collective, in order to differentiate themselves. But if I did believe it continues after the body dies, why would that be a ridiculous perspective, as your rolling eyes seem to indicate?

The above is just a long series of assertions that attempt to explain our nature, but inevitable can never be proven true.