LSD and psychic power.

I wanna see blood!

 

i wanna see some ball room dancing go down

 

Because it is impossible for anything nonphysical to be generated through a physical process.

 

The reason why the mind is not the brain is because the brain is solely reliant upon the 5 physical senses. It is all it has to go by. Yet, we constantly perceive things that the cannot be sensory input data. Change and the passing of time come to mind.
I think the example Descartes used for this in his argument was perceiving a piece of wax. He asked people to imagine a piece of wax, and describe it's characteristics using all 5 of their senses. So, the wax looked white, it smelled a certain way, it felt waxy, if you thumped it it made a certain sound, and it tasted a certain way. Then, he told people to heat the wax over a flame to the point of melting, and conduct the same test, using all 5 senses to describe it. Obviously, after the wax has been changed, none of the new sensory descriptions of it would match those that were taken of the wax before it was melted. So the question for him was, if according to our senses everything about the wax is different, then how do we know it is the same piece of wax?

 

im going to do alot of acid tonight..

 

Says who? If you take a drug it alters your state of mind; that's a physical process having an effect on a nonphysical organ.

 

Inference. If you take some wax, heat it, and watch it melt, why would you doubt whether it was the 'same' wax? (one never crosses the same river twice ) The perception of time is a natural byproduct of being sentient and having a short term memory.

 

And what physical sense does the physical brain use to perceive inference?

 

....what nonphysical organ? You lost me.

 

Inference is when you use reason and sensory data to draw conclusions.

The mind.

 

So reason is a physical perception perceived by the physical brain?

You are part of the crowd that believes the mind is simply a product of the brain right?

 

Reason is the application of the rules of logic. You could say that Reason is a product of Mind.

Yup. No need for qualifiers like 'simply' though. There's no reason the mind has to be any less significant because of that. And it's not simple at all, really.

 

I suppose the biggest difference we are having is that you believe that nonphysical things can come about through physical means. I don't, and that's why I'm trying to draw a definite line between brain and mind.

 

The brain can tell that it is still the wax. So can the mind because they are the same. The brain is what uses the senses and so does the mind.

 

Lets just drop it we won't get anywhere.

 

The physical brain has no means in which to determine it is the same piece of wax. The only thing the brain has to go buy is raw sensory input, and according to the sensory date, it is a different piece of wax.

 

My brain is saying otherwise.

 

I dunno if your directing that at me hawaii but Gtfo, your a clown.

 

I was trying to lighten up the tension between you guys. nothing was directed at you. You take things too personal. You need to do more acid so you'll be mellow. I read where you said to "drop it" but you chimed right in again spoiling for a fight.

And that's a scarecrow btw. It's been my observation the you need to get the final say, last word in.

Just take your own advise and drop it already. :beatdeadhorse5: