LSD ruins social life?

It just means that LSD can change your whole worldview, so you suddenly see people in a completely different way, and might realize that someone you know is in fact not that great of a person. you might realize others are greater than you ever knew, etc.

 

Everything is connected, and it all matters

I meant everything matters including every little thing about people and social interactions, so suddenly them frat boys you was patronizing with might seem a little backwards and dull.

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So feeling or knowing the innerconnectedness of it all, do you interact with the world differently when sober? Or do you go about your day the same, complete with quick judgments about people and your own well being and solitary life as your main concern? Are you a warm open hippy to everyone and careful not to step on others, or do you make sure every interaction you have with others displays your 100% convictions (since that is 'your' influence in the universe, etc.) Stuff like that.

Have you changed or noticed change in how you behave with the world around you after said LSD experiences and beliefs? Hope I'm not asking the same thing.

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I'm not at all saying I am constantly and completely conscious of the interconnected nature of reality. I am nothing close to a Buddha in that sense. I would say that the knowledge of this however, does temper me to be more careful in some situations to how I will react, knowing that perhaps this situation has arisen due to a cascading series of events out of the control of the parties involved (that seems to describe every situation, but some are more "in our control" than others). I may, instead of being disgusted at someone for a belief or behavior they possess or do, understand why it is so. On the other hand, I may be shocked that someone could act or think a certain way of their own volition. Every situation is unique!

I don't know what you mean by solitary life being my main concern. I am in a serious relationship, work a sales job, and have a pretty good social life. I have a university degree and am going to college next year, not too bad for someone with social anxiety

Quick judgements are a very natural thing, it is evolutionarily advantageous to be able to quickly judge and qualify a situation. Naturally it is also a source of psychological pain, as we often judge too much and too quickly, especially ourselves (in my case). However I have met oodles and oodles of people who's main problem seems to be a lack of ability to quickly and competently judge the character of someone they are meeting, I think this mostly has to do with education actually, a basic foundation of western psychology, biology and sociology alone presents one with a far more adept toolbox with which to process judgements of people we meet. A lot of people simply don't have much to work with in their heads besides "Oh, he seems cool", which leads to a lot of pain.

Like I mentioned the flip side of this coin is in judging too harshly and frequently and thus depriving yourself of potential relationships.

I'm REALLY glad you asked this question. I am 100% AGAINST being a "warm open hippy", I am completely against that mentality, I think it is naive and I think that people who behave that way do not deserve my trust or respect. If you have a clear view of the world and people in it, you understand that some people are truly backwards idiotic fucks who could care less about anything other than their immediate gratification. The eternal infinite buddha deep inside me understands that they may have had no choice in being this way, but the real world everyday me definitely has no patience for some people, and I wouldn't expect someone to be a warm fluffy hippy 24 hours a day. Some situations call for abrasiveness. Some situations call for throwing somebody out of a building, or using physical force otherwise. Please understand I am extremely non-violent and quite turned off by confrontation in general, I am just rejecting what I consider to be a kind of adolescent interpretation of the psychedelic reality of our universe to mean that "you have to love everybody no matter what and be friends with everybody". Every single person I have met with that mentality is surrounded by people who make their life difficult. They date partners who cheat on them, because of a warped sense of "universal love" and a poor sense of self. Loosing your Self in a psychedelic experience is a wonderful thing to learn from, but hopefully one of those lessons is just how important the Self is in our sober society. We do, for better or worse, live in a world governed by Self.

I can say that psychedelics have, paradoxically (only as psychedelics could), shown me that some situations call for a rising above the Self, while others call for an almost Samurai-esque fidelity to the Self that you wear. Both situations can be beneficial to your being and the situation. The real trick is being able to choose which fits best.

 

Inside LSD: Mice who were injected with 160 ug of LSD every other day showed signs of social withdrawal over time, loss of pleasure-seeking behaviors, and a variety of nervous effects such as ease in being startled.
I paraphrased but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgUFqAdGN24&t=29m30s"]here is the link. It starts at 29:30.

Now that doesn't tell us much, because 160 ug is a pretty good dose for a human, and a tremendous dose for mice. If you assumed that a human weighs about 100x as much as a mouse, which is a conservative estimate, and an abnormally strong strength of dosage (100 ug per tab), those mice are having the equivalent of 16 FUCKING MILLIGRAMS OF ACID, or what comes to about 160 tabs of acid every other day. That really is torture to the animal and that guy should go to jail for doing that, since there's no way that can get any kind of applicable results, and he's just subjecting them to a lifetime of incredibly strong bad trips.

 

That would be one seriously spaced out mouse, or many seriously spaced out mice :dizzy2:

 

To exclude or include people in your life because of what substances they eat is foreign to me. Sounds to me like you are building your life around drug culture and that will definitely affect your social life, since you are completely limited to those within the culture.

I know many people who never used a psychedelic but are fortunate enough to have been born with the intrinsic ability to perceive. It's hard for me to discard them as friends, or lose my respect for them simply because they have not used psychedelics.

If you look at the cross-section of people who have used psychedelics versus those who have not, you will find that both sets largely have the same distribution of humanity's fucked up-ness, ranging from open/imaginative/inquisitive to those who are close-minded/bigoted/self-absorbed.

 

My gf has never done any drugs. Besides weed. And im a full blown drug lover.
I dont think youshould ever base a relationship on what drugs they dont do.
I would not date any drug addicts I know that.
Edit:: this thread has some ver ggood posts. Writter I cant give you karma aga in yet but I tried. Same to you freedom

 

I think it all depends on the experience you have. I for one have never liked a lot of people, they kind of bug me with everything they do. Sometimes I feel like everyone is stupid or useless. But after an experience, I grew the perspective I so easily overlooked and I now try to open my eyes to every situation before judging. The result makes me happier!

As for your question, "can it ruin your social life?" Well by even touching acid, I can assure you some people will be "scared" of you or shy away, no matter your intention with the drug. But no, I don't think anything can actually happen chemically that will change your personality into an introvert. Many of the people I know became even more social. Remember, Acid has a pretty big party scene with it, like raves from the 80s. These people are the exact opposites of introverts!

You probably will feel as if you get really far into your own head! But the way others perceive you most likely will be unchanged.

 

Of course you shouldn't exclude peopele who don't use drugs, but you'll often find that they will look down on you, however subtely, if you use drugs and they do not, or you use drugs that they do not.

 

LSD definitely opened a door in my social life. After taking it that first time, I benefited so much, more than any of my friends. I gained a new level of confidence that made me much more successful with girls. Many who knew me in years prior to my acid use, now comment on how much more real, or adult I am.

But I could see how one could be angry at society and desire to isolate themselves from society because of their acid "consciousness expansion".

 

I was thinking the same thing. That researcher is an idiot. Probably on the govt's payroll. How could those results be close to valid? You could probably drink that mouses pee and be trippin' balls! JUST GOES TO SHOW THE FUCKING DRUG WAR IS KEEPING BACK THE STUDY OF ONE OF THE GREATEST DRUGS KNOWN TO MAN!

 

In response to OP, I sometimes wonder if I'd be less anti-social without psychedelic experiences. I still admire an aspect of escape from them, whether you're "suppose" to or not.

Like tyrson said, maybe that was predisposition though, I have always been more introverted, but psychedelics did help me embrace that tendency. I'd still usually rather be alone, even if I have a great time with friends/family/even strangers, there's nothing like having your own world to come back to. I'm at comfort with myself.

 

Yeah they may have enhanced my introversion, but I'd pin that down as a side effect of the main cause which, for me, has been an increased sensitivity to my surroundings. Paying attention to my state of mind and asking "is this worth keeping around in my life?". Consequently I'm now actually leaving the house more than I ever did, but I'm in my own time. I have a small social life, intimately anyway, but I'll talk to anyone who "feels good".

Eliminating bullshit, whether it's others or my own has let me focus my efforts, like tuning a radio to eliminate the background fuzz.

 

during a trip, maybe.

after one trip, no. not really.

 

I have done hundreds of hits in my life and I am not an introvert, exactly. I just have to choose my friends very wisely. I don't just get along with your average joe. I am very selective when it comes to who I spend quality time with. I can joke and small talk with anyone really, I just can't be bothered with your tipical drama.

Will lsd change you? Probably. For better or worse, well that's up to you.