LSD vs. Mescaline

Didn't shulgin refer to mescaline even as a psychedelic amphetamine? I assume you're talking about like DOB and DOM though.

 

yeah I like IAP too Kind of off the subject but it is a really good non nuerotoxic mdma substitute

 

completely non nuerotoxic that is I dont wanna misinform anybody on the toxicity of mdma because it is remarkably non nuerotoxic as well

 

Ehhh I dunno about that... loads more research has to be done.

 

or loads less research

 

Did u know the reason MDMA was thought to be nuerotoxic for so long is because test they administered to test for toxicity was causing the toxicity.. MDMA literally does not cause physical damage

 

I thought that the reason MDMA was considered neurotoxic was because of a shithead doctor mistaking methamphetamine for methylenedioxymethamphetamine and feeding it to the monkeys then publishing the data.

 

that too both actually fucked up huh?

 

Yea, that guy's career must have been ruined.

 

The real problem was, that the monkeys got very high doses. If you want to transfer the experiment to humans, you´d have to take approx. 10 pills per day - for months...

 

From what I've read, the rats WERE administered methamphetamine in place of MDMA, and at the doses they were given they got exactly the reaction that any logical human being with a GED could have estimated.

 

Yes that is correct. The government likes to feed and inject monkies with grams and grams of substances then they have the right to say its nuerotoxic. I am not suprised that they found some toxicity at those type of doses. damn they were stupid

 

That´s the same with this experiment from the late 70s, when a reasearcher found out, that it takes 1.6g of LSD to kill an elephant. What a waste of life and material (in that order)!