Lying to kids about Santa

contradiction? is that the word?

 

he's certainly very angry about the topic and using the attack words, fonts and caps.

 

Where's the contradiction?

When I speak, I speak from my perspective, on how I see things.

I am more then capable of seeing that others are lying to their children and disagreeing with it AND not caring that they choose to do so.

It is each parents responsibility to do what they think is best for their children.

It is up to each person to speak their mind and point out things they see as wrong.

The EMPHASIS I CHOOSE to use when I post has little to do with the emotion behind it. It is used as, get this... EMPHASIS!!!

But hey, I also don't really give a shit how many emotions you choose to read into my posts in order to ignore the substance of what I say.

Now, if you have more to say on the subject of my views and the way I present them, may I suggest you make a new thread instead of trying to hijack this one?

 

lol. 'kay.

 

You seem to be a real hardass ,Tom. The usual way you express yourself is not real conducive to a voluntary give and take conversation ,Imo. My 2c

 

there is a way to celebrate the magic of christmas and include santa claus with out the whole magically coming down the chimney thing...the trick is to explain to your child as ''some people believe''....or...''legend has it''

if a kid wants to believe an un marked gift came from santa...they can do it on their own...they dont need me to lie about to make it more believable.....





its not that hard to out smart a kid

 

I was trying to say something like this earlier, but you did it better than I could have. My parents never actually told me out right that Santa was real.

 

Has the way conversations 'usually' go, done much to better our world?

We lie to each other, both strangers, friends and family then tell each other its wrong to lie and get upset when we find out people do lie to each other...

I would rather be an honest hardass then the typical dishonest person.

When I talk to my daughter, she knows I tell her the truth. She doesnt need to question whether or not this is the same as santa... was I lying to her becuase it didn't really matter, or maybe I was protecting her for some reason from the truth...

I seem to think I have told this story before, but it applies here anyway.

My mother used to have a neighbor who was always coming over to sneak smokes at my mothers because she told her hubby she had quit.

She would bring her granddaughter with her while she did this. This went on for a fairly long time, then one day when I was visiting my mother, she came over all upset that her granddaughter had been lying to her about something.

I just about pissed myself laughing over it...

How do you on one hand tell your child it is wrong to lie, and then on the other lie to them or around them? Or, more appropriately, why would you be surprised when you find out they learned to do it just as well, or better then you do?

Kids learn what you teach them.

 

I just don't believe the santa myth is as harmfull as you make it out to be. Consistanly lying would be very destructive.They all learn at 5 or 6 anyway that mom and pop are the distribution centers for presents. Now that you mention it,the myth is the only time I told my kids something that wasn't strictly true. Ever. I asked my boys a few minutes ago if they were pissed about me telling them santa brought stuff for them--one said-"aw yeah--I hate you for that,you lyin' bastard!!" and laughed their asses off. To me it was just a little magic for some little ones that didn't know shit about the real world. (I never allowed a TV around when they were growing up)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az9Az6S1nus"]YouTube - Teach your children - Crosby Stills Nash

 

yes, teach them that santa has an Italian donkey.. & stop being jackasses..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok5rOO2v2dU"]YouTube - Dominick the Donkey

 

that vid is awesome...and very catchy....finally replaced rolly polly fish head......fucker

 

lol. tom's comparing lying about continuing a deadly habit to telling a toddler about santa. pfft. LOL.

everyone lies, either through omission or deliberation. but lying to be cruel and lying to enjoy are totally different things. i'm not gonna tell my mother i hate her haircut and she needs to bleach her teeth. i'm kind of a hard ass about being honest when necessary, but i'm a pretty gentle sort when it comes to things that don't need to be said or keeping alive a piece of magic that'll die soon enough on it's own.

 

for a good ten years christmas was misery in our house. all us kids were grown and scattered, them my mom had a little girl. then a little boy. santa was back! and christmas was fun again. without kids to celebrate it for, i've never had much use for christmas or birthdays or any of that.

i do remember once, when i was very little, my father brought "santa" to our house. i had very few dealings with my dad, since he was overseas a lot. i was already having my doubts about santa. but my dad went out of his way one year to please me and make christmas exciting for me. i'll never forget it. it was the nicest thing he'd ever done for me. so i went along, because making me happy made him happy. he didnt' get a lot of opportunities for that.

so when my little brother and sister came along, suddenly i was the one up until four in the morning putting gifts together and wrapping things and making the house look like santa was there, just because it made them so happy. so we weren't rich. so the gifts were entirely for the kids because of it. we all still had a great christmas. and my little brother and sister carry on the tradition for their little nieces and the kids in the neighborhood.

 

Tom is saying, quite clearly and repeatedly seems people keep trying to change what he says... that lying, is wrong, no matter what you tell yourself about it... Saying everybody lies only shows that YOU lie and you tell yourself that everyone else does to make yourself feel better about it.

I wonder where that habit of lying to yourself was learned from?

 

everyone. at least the civilised ones who know when a lie is better than the mean bleakness.

 

I'll stick to being uncivilized then.

 

I'm terrible at lying, so if I plan on doing the Santa thing when I have kids, I'm going to have to see it as something other than lying...lol. Ugh, I'm the worst liar ever.

 

Okay. You've won me over. Next time my toddler asks me if she has a beautiful singing voice I'm gonna tell her no. Also, pretending to be a kitten is wrong.

 

It's pretty difficult to be extremely literal in this life. Much of life falls in the gray zone. No one should put up with liars. I hate liars and thieves, however as I said before,there are NO people around who are pissed that they were fed the santa myth. Most of us just kinda understand that the telling of the myth is only to provide a buffer of a little magic to little ones who don't understand yet that there is not much magic in later/real life. They'll learn soon enough that humans are still slaughtering one another, that thousands die in car accidents each year,that people will steal from them,beat them up,rape and kill them if they are not told the awfull truths about life in order to prepare them to watch out. They'll face a life time of work-drudgery of some kind playing by the rules and the rules will be changed on them with no prior notice. Yeah,well--maybe I should have told my kids all that--but no thanks. The 4-5-6-years they get to live in a little kid-cocoon is what I'm talkin' about.