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No, you're pretty clear on what existed before the Apple.

Programs that would read profane "mad-libs" to 12 year olds.

And then apple made it so you could do important, worthwhile things with computers, particularly with how they kicked off desktop publishing, and brought worthwhile, effective HID's to lots of people.

Also, you were an amazingly spoiled 12 year old, especially considering your opinions about macs only being for people with too much money.

 

You are not making any sense. The Apple II came out years before the Commodores and was a very popular home computer. I bought mine in 1980, well before the Commodore came on the market.

I'm really getting tired of your biased anti-Apple bullshit.

 

Mac market share is now 23%. Might surprise some of you Apple haters.

 

that's why the C64 is the #1 top selling computer model of all time?

http://www.pagetable.com/?p=547

 

That's not an entirely accurate statement except within the area of those early types of systems.
I guarantee a lot more IBM type PC's have been sold over the years than the C64, not to mention all the "whitebox" or self built systems. No real way to tally up those figures though.

 

I mistakenly said 12 year old as I was thinking when I first got a computer. If I had realized you were going to scrutinize my every word with extreme prejudice then I would have explained better. Commodore computers blew my mind from the age of 12 to into my 20's. I was not spoiled either. I didn't even want a computer at that time, I wanted an Atari. I hardly ever got what I wanted. My parents got me a Vic 20 to help with school. I had to type in my first video game from a magazine. It didn't take me long to get hooked when I realized I could modify and improve these games. I was 14 when I got my C64 and I worked my ass off to get it and I had to wait another year and a half to get a floppy drive as they cost more than computer itself at the time. Commodore computers were extremely popular in my area and Apple computers were simply unheard of. I believe they were mostly popular in upper class pockets of the united states and also in some American schools Apple cut deals with. My Jr high and high schools had commodore computers they had to buy themselves, I remember doing fund raiser in school to get C64's.

 

You're not making any sense! my past experiences aren't the same as yours....

Yeah I'm biased and most of my resentment towards Apple is a result of Apple users making their shit out to be something it's not. You Apple fans aren't biased at all are you? twisting and fabricating history, giving credit to Apple for other companies work they stole and made worse!

I'm really getting tired of your biased Apple bullshit!

 

What do you mean biased? :rofl: I just own a airbook.. ipod.. ipad.. iphone.. ithis and ithat... omgz life is so much easier because i dont have to understand real computers.... apple is the leapfrog of the computer world...

 

Microsoft exists because of apple. As such, the OS that drove your IBM PC exists because of apple. Like it or not, apple, as a company, has had much more overall effect on today's digital life, starting with making it actually happen 40 years ago, than almost any other country. There's IBM, apple, AT&T (thank got for AT&T UNIX, even if they're evil fucks and we copied it strait away) xerox, intel, AMD.... No one's saying apple did it all, but they're still one of the most important companies to ever exist....

Any more history you need teachin'?



Also, steve dies, my boot folder goes missing..... lol.... (before you blame my mac, that's the fault of the 6 year old seagate drive)

*edit* also, I pay no attention to new shit, because I have no money for it, but just finally read about thunderbolt (I knew they had new I/O, didn't know it was an intel/apple exclusive project/debut) so..... comments, mr. commodore?

Anyways, you're right, apple only steals other things and make them worse. Take, for example UNIX..... I'm sure grandma could go grab darwin and set up her own OS as aptly as she uses her mac, ehh...

 

BUt IBM was the first, and it spawned Microsoft for the benefit of it's developing generational software. We need a whole new generation of computers complimenting software to artificial intelligence.

 

WTF? You don't know history from your asshole! Everything you've said so far has been dead wrong and delusionally biased as all fuck. We'd have mice and DOS and GUI's with or fucking without Microsoft or Apple, get a fucking grip. You can bet your asshole someone else would have done it if they didn't. What a fucking joke, "MS exists bc of Apple". Apple fucking hired Microsoft to write their fucking Apple II BASIC OS because Wozniak couldn't pull it off!

Fuck you and your twisted ass bullshit fictional history lessons!

Fuck you!

Apple had a SMALL impact on today's computers, they are certainly not the FOUNDATION! Our technology today is a result of a lot of work from a lot of companies and organizations. Apple TRIED to make home computers popular in the late 70's and 80's and aside from small pockets and elite groups they FAILED. THEY FUCKING FAILED AND COLLAPSED MISERABLY! Commodore ruled the 80's with at least 5 times as many home computer sales. NOW Apple is a huge success; there's no question they got their shit together, found their niche and took off. But anyone who would say home computers would not exist if it wasn't for Apple has got to be the most clueless asshole in the history of giant gaping shit spewing assholes! Holy fuck! I can't get over how fucking retarded, misguided and delusional... teachin history... teaching fucking bullshit!!

Anyway.

RIP Steve jobs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5Z7eal4uXI"]Steve Jobs and Bill Gates Together: Part 1 - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK_HThS8DZo"]Steve Jobs and Bill Gates Together: Part 2 - YouTube

 

Does your name mean "anything but relaxed"?

 

Yeahhh.... I'm going to go with what I said. That shit was all unintelligible to most people. Apple made it otherwise. So did microsoft. After apple HIRED them, and they broke their contract and left. Apple and microsoft have both been powerful driving forces behind computing, and computers would not still be generally acccepted or used to any serious degree without them.

And yes, RIP steve. Quite a guy.

 

You said Hypercard

I'm going to disagree about printing on macs, having done plenty of fucking around with them in my early days. Worked great. As for internet/real networking, no, that sucked dick, and as I understand it, linux/UNIX was then, as now, king there. And there's no denying that under mr. pepsi, things did go to shit (except some of the later powerbooks, it was nice to not have everything sealed in an unworkable box o' jobs). the OS fell horribly behind everything. But steve was working with building next at this time, and trying to make a cheap but very capable student machine. This didn't go so well, until he brought it back to apple.

Somewhere, my dad's got hypercard floppies, and a fun timewasting train builder/simulator for hypercard. And a bunch of stacks I made as a little kid. I'd like to find an old mac and play with them.

Also, as has been pointed out, the C64 sales figures are not fair in the least, because of the nature of the system. There's such a vast number of IBM PC's compared to C64's that it should hurt relaxx's brain. And I've never used one, but never heard of a C64 being used as anything but a toy.... had sound and games and whatever else, but not in any sort of practical way. (still, I'd love to find one to play on) It was for people like relaxx to run random curse programs on, because that made more money than a useful computer.

However, all that aside, and on topic, today the mac is a powerful computing alternative, and apple is currently working to totally revolutionize human interface devices, all over again. "they didn't do as much as commodore for the computer", true or not, doesn't have anything to do with modern macs or what they do, we're not talking about some sort of "right" to make computers, they've got it, had it for a long time, and are using it well.

Also, relaxx should go check out mac mini stats some time.

 

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Roor, you weren't even a twinkle in your daddy's eye by the time most of the things if not all of them mentioned by Meagain. Sorry but I'm gonna have to go with the word of someone actually old enough to have been there, done that when it was still considered "new" technology.
Personally I have noticed a HUGE difference between what shit says on paper, how shit works in set-ups that you most likely "fucked around with" and real world applications of the same hardware in actual work environments.
Meagain certainly sounds like a person who dealt with this stuff in real world applications, you are simply too young to have any "real" experience with these older systems.

 

I also switched to PC's after using Amiga's for a long time. I remember the first time I ever seen Microsoft Windows was on an Amiga 500 running a DOS emulator. It had a 'massive' 20MB Hard Drive expansion box and aside from running DOS it was simultaneously running a local BBS server and copying some floppy disks I was after. When I switched to my PC's I really missed how the Amiga could read/write floppy disks without loosing any CPU resources. Access floppies on and old PC and the damn thing was utterly useless until it was complete!

 

The C64 was a dream to hack n' crack. I was writing memory editors on our schools computer before Fast Hackem. Most of our games were cracked and compressed with intros but it was a treat to get uncompressed originals which we hacked and cracked the daylights out of. The BBS I mentioned before was run by a big player in the Commodore User groups and game distribution. I did a fair amount of hacking for the group, even wrote a few primitive games that got spread around.

 

You just described an insecure system with little practical value to anyone but kids looking for free games.....

But yeah, there's still more cracked games than legit games out there.

Mr. noxious, the first computer I used was a mac 128k, but the first one I REMEMBER using was a classic II. I don't see how it wouldn't have been a real life setup, as far as home computers go. Printer, (the one from the mac 128k, whatever it was called.... the famous apple one. I should know this) modem, etc. all plug and play. It would have been an awful setup for say, a computer lab, but it didn't need to be in a computer lab. Printed in about 15 seconds (though the printing itself took a while) and generally worked fine.