Marijuana IS a psychadelic!!

this is getting rather childish.

 

You can refer to it as a psychedelic but not a hallucinogen. Weed does not make you trip in nearly the same way mushrooms or acid do. It can however revive a fading mushroom trip.

 

Exactly. People don't realize that the two are not necessarily the same thing.

 

True. And like TNS said way at the beginning, psychedelia is 'mind-expansion'. A psychedelic experience doesn't necessarily mean you have to be tripping, just expanding your mind. There are many degrees of intensity you have to take into account as well...you could say that weed is at the lower end of the spectrum, but there's no doubt it should still be included.

 

Of course weed is a psychedelic. What most don't know is that it's classified as a hallucinogen.


Truth. Sure you don't trip out, but it's a classification. Kay?

 

I agree with this

 

Eat a couple grams of top shelf bubblehash in a leary biscuit and tell us how psychedelic weed is ;-)

 

weed is by no means a "hallucinogen." that is more ridiculous than calling it a psychedelic. many respectable scientists who study psychoactive plants and fungi would not consider even magic mushrooms to be (true) hallucinogens. psychedelics and hallucinogens are very different, in fact. a true hallucinogen would be something like datura--violent, delirious, completely fabricated visual images. at least with shrooms and acid, the source of the visuals can generally be traced from existing patterns in the environment; thus, many consider them psychedelics, not hallucinogens.

the source and basis for my opinion is largely influenced by the work of leading scientists such as McKenna, who has dedicated his life to studying psychoactive plants (drugs) all over the world, although specializing in tropical regions (e.g. south america). I've met with him in person and have discussed this topic in great depth. the problem, in my opinion, lies in the language of the classification system and also its qualifying criterion. "psychedelic" means many more things than just "mind-expanding." using a loose definition like this would suggest that practically ALL daily, life events are "psychedelic." on the other hand, other people will always adhere to a stricter definition than some. taken as a whole, people, in general, will forever classify psychoactive substances differently. language is a bitch.

 

^^^all that's well and good, but I find it hard to believe that you wouldn't consider a really strong high [from smoking weed] to put you in a psychedelic state of mind. When I get super-baked, I have very similar thoughts and thought patterns to those that I would have on a decent mushroom trip, sometimes being even more intense with weed than with shrooms. The lack of visual distortions doesn't exclude a substance from being psychedelic. Look at 5-MeO-DMT; Most people report having no significant visuals from the shit, but it is still considered to be one of the most powerful psychedelics in existance.

 

You met McKenna? When?

 

2ces: last year. he came to my consciousness seminar, consisting of my prof and a total of five eager students... i ended up talking one-on-one with him all freakin' day... he's awesome. i wish i had the funds to go play/learn with him in the jungle in south america.

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on another note, if you're doing DMT and not getting visuals, maybe it's not DMT.... ? or maybe it's not enough? when jerry garcia first tried DMT, he certainly got visuals... pure insanity, from what i've heard.

also, i cannot say that any dose of weed is like LSD. while pot does give some visuals (which have been greatly amplified after having used psychedelic drugs such as LSD) there's just no comparison, really. i've eaten plenty of brownies that have stoned me to near-black out levels (and sometimes i do totally black out). the intense weed high certainly gives some (blurry/hazy) visuals and very strong body/mind sensations. however, i still pales in comparison to 300ug of LSD.

like i said, the problem lies in the definition of psychedelic. a good weed brownie is certainly "mind-expanding;" but so is the delicious vegetable stirfry i made for dinner. so is every movie i watch. so was my college education.... the list goes on indefinitely, in fact. that's why i must reserve the word "psychedelic" for special/unique events, such as those experienced on moderate to strong doses of shrooms or LSD.

 

Dude, I never said anything about DMT. I was talking about 5-MeO-DMT.

And I never once compared weed, in any way, to LSD. I simply said that it has some psychedelic properties. Weed produces a psychedelic state of mind and, like you said, even some visuals in some cases.

 

5-MeO-DMT IS dmt

 

I was just reading about DMT, and there are different types... The straight up DMT that is produced by our brain when we dream and when we die is the real crazy stuff... but the stuff most people seem to have tried has a few letters before the DMT? I dont know, it seemed really interesting though. I've never tried any type of DMT though, and I dont know if I would ever have the nerve to. Its really intense that its what we produce when we're in deep REM sleep, and if its strong enough (deep enough sleep) we can't remember a thing. its even crazier that we produce it right before we die... I mean... think about that. Supposidly a very strong trip of whatever the hardcore DMT type is, and you won't remember a thing either. sounds pretty deep to me...

 

Theres the DMT thats produced in your brain, and the DMT thats produced naturally in plants. They should have the same effects though.

 

No dude. N,N-Dimethyltryptamine is DMT. 5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyl tryptamine is 5-MeO-DMT.

Huge difference. Would you say shrooms contain "DMT" just because they contain O-phosphoryl-4-HO-DMT(psilocybin) and 4-HO-DMT(Psilocin)?

 

Those are both N,N DMT. There are other variations that are produced in plants too, such as 5-HO-DMT, 5-MeO-DMT, 4-HO-DMT, and some others.

 

Good point

 

Dude, read on erowid about ayahuasca. It is the combination of DMT and an MAOI that produces a DMT trip that lasts upwards of 3 hours, as opposed to the regular 10(+ or -) minute DMT trip. It is really easy to prepare. All you have to do is buy some plant material online and boil it in water for an hour or two and add an acidic substance(lemon juice). Then grind up some syrian rue seeds(harmaline/harmala......an MAOI) and eat them or boil them with the DMT-plant material.

 

awesome, thanks man... I'd much rather try that than a full out DMT trip, at least for now. So I can find all this online?