All it boils down to is that most Americans are either stupid or nuts or a little of both... ok, we get the point... end of story.
For your information most of the men and women over there probably don't want to be there. They are following orders. They just didn't enlist in the military to kill people. The was probaly the last thing on their minds. Trust me I know a whole lot of them. Most people joined before 911 even happened and all this war hadn't even begun and they still are serving their term. I know lots of men and women who joined because the economy is so bad that it is the best choice, or the want help with education, they aren't thinking about going off and killing people. So I suggest next time you say something so harsh as hoping someone dies, you put yourself in their position
I may or may not agree with him, but the people who look like dumbasses are the ones throwing out insults and not refuting his argument (cough *you* cough cough).
Freedom fighters MY ASS! Freedom fighters don't hide behind their own children to avoid getting shot by the soldiers they've been shooting at. They don't set off car bombs at festivals where civilians are all around celebrating, and where soldiers are participating just by handing out candy to the kids. They don't send (or force?) innocent civilians into a deserted area--deserted because the US evacuated the area of all the civilians they could find--that's going to be bombed by the US (whether that's right or wrong) so that when it gets bombed, the people die or get injured and make our boys look worse than they already do. They don't kidnap and behead innocent people. That is not what freedom fighters do. Freedom fighters are noble in both their cause, and their actions. These, my boy, are not freedom fighters. Mind you, I've never supported this war. It all makes me sick. And our stupid administration certainly isn't innocent. But to call these terrorists "Freedom Fighters" is naive and foolish....exactly as I've said before on here. A lot of the Iraqi people were GLAD the Americans were there before the terrorists moved on in. I know people personally, who have even had random civilians come up to hug them. Now they are scared to get too close for fear that these assholes will set off a bomb! Yeah...that's noble. And to you, who wishes death on our military, fuck you up the ass son. You may not like what their bosses have them doing, but they aren't the monsters you seem to think they are. Ugh...that really pissed me off. Don't EVER wish death on those boys and girls over there. There may be a few sickos among them too, but they all have families, friends, lovers (fiancees--that'd be me) back home praying that they'll return safely......god, sicko. Just fuck you for that comment.
Can you name one single incident where this happened? Car bombs at festivals? I have never read or heard about this happening. Got a link? Hahahaha!! The U.S. doesn't evacuate any civilians before bombing. It would take too much time and cost too much money. If you support the U.S. or Israel, you are supporting religious genocide, and are therefore not innocent. They are trying to defend their country (and religion) in any ways possible. They don't have the money and weapons that the U.S. has. What is not noble about defending your country from an invading nation? That is exactly how our country was founded. How? They are no different than the colonists were against the British. Then can you explain why the number of Iraqi insurgents grows by the day? Good for you. Well its not like they are working with a regime that killed their family members, or anything like that
heh, i did a page or two back. then, i suppose the REAL dumbasses are the people who say things without knowing they're true? (coughhackspit fucktards like you coughhackspit)
That's quite the argument you got there ....he probably would've replied if you provided links and sources, and managed to refrain from insults. You should know that you aren't taken seriously if you aren't civil.
A link to a post I made with a couple of links (besides this is something I've heard from people who were there): http://hipforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=599983&postcount=36 A link to the whole freakin thread where I explained myself time and time again (I chime in on pg. 2): http://hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43352 And yes, they do try to evacuate the civilians. They warned Fallujah days in advance, and the soldiers who were around tried to help get the people out. Just go read all those posts in that second link....I'm tired of saying it over and over again. I don't know why I bother anyway. You'll all keep thinking ill of our military and making heros out of anyone they oppose. We may not be innocent, but they sure as hell aren't either. And A LOT of those people who've been kidnapped and beheaded were completely innocent dumbass. Civilians, from many other countries, and one woman was over there purely to help the Iraqi civilians.
CIVIL? like yer one to fucking talk. and you know what i mean, you act like a pregnant woman half the time.
everyone just hear me out and try to think about this objectively... the military doesn't hide that it makes war... American history is littered with examples of the US invading for economic reasons. Examples include (but aren't limited to) Cuba (with the bay of pigs), Guatamala (more succesfully), Vietnam (controversial), the first Gulf War (foreshadowing), most recently with the attempted coup-d'etat of Venezualan president Hugo Chavez. Therefore anyone who joins this military must support these wars, or at the very least not have a problem with these killing or supporting killers. In response to I believe in taking responsability for your actions - people can make it out of the ghetto without joining any army, people do do it... You can't say society forces them into the military if there is no draft. Picking up a gun and saying you'll kill others to help yourself isn't a very admirable quality. Now i don't suspect you'll find very many people on this site who would call America's treatment of Iraq good. Since the first gulf war, over 200,000 iraqi children (estimates vary, but this is on the lower end of the spectrum [http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat3.htm#Iraq98]) because of an American imposed embargo, and the total for all civilians looks closer to the million mark. Civilian casualties for this war are around 15,000 people [http://iraqbodycount.net/]. Not only this, but the puppet iraqi government quickly liquidated all of its governements possessions (crown corporations, resources) and sold them to American companies. The United State's post-war free-trade plan to shock their economy to start has failed and there is very little construction work going on, despite the great damage caused by the war. It was a one-time bet, and the United States, despite their delusions of liberating the country have made the average life worse (oppression versus no food, no water, no sanitation, no jobs, no economy). There can be no doubt that this was an unjust war - US gets the oil, US gets the contracts, Iraq gets the shaft. [http://www.harpers.org/BaghdadYearZero.html] The logical conclusion then would be that if you are an american soldier, you are the accomplice of thieves. There are alternatives to fighting - if every american soldier laid down their gun, walked off and refused to fight, America could do nothing. Instead while they fight and pillage and i have nothing but contempt for them, and thats the facts as i see them.
I don't feel particularly bad for a handful of dead american civilians compared to the thousands of innocent iraqi casualties. And warning a people before you bomb them and take their possessions doesn't make it much better.
As far as i know, "freedom fighters" fight for freedom. Not fight for the right to take power over their country to reinstate opression of its citizens. Spooner you just sound like and uneducated no talent cockbite. I Hope canada starts a draft so you can get your balls blown off rendering you not able to produce offpring. And also, the airforce doesn't do any murduring over in iraq. (except for the pilots) We guard the bases we have over there. If anyone gets killed by anyone in the airforce (thats not a pilot) its because we were guarding our troops and our bases. (Also convoys now.) Dont forget the navy and the coast guard dumbass. Theres not too many large bodes of water in iraq.
OK, spooner let's start off by thinking clearly here. In America getting into the army, navy, marines, air force, or arm guard to a lot of men and women is because it's how they can make money, a lot of them get into it to receive help to get college education, or to support their familes..They didn't ask to go to war..once you are in if a war breaks out, you damn right you have to go. I in no way support this war..But, I do however support our soldiers, and i wish them a safe return home..also, let me point out, not that I am in anyway condoning what the soldier, (I have only read about one act of a soldier killing a wounded Iraqi)..we don't know what the circumstances are..I mean look at it, they are over in a different part of a world, fighting a war, and you never know when someone is going to lose it, and go nuts..That's because they are put there having to do this and seeing all the chaos day in and day out, night after night..Also, there is one time where an iraqi was "wounded" and ended up attacking and killing a soldier, i believe he had a gun underneath him and killed the soldier. So, honestly, i dont know what happened, and why he did it..but i am very sad he did..But, you can NOT say that about the soldiers that you hope they die, because that is very fucked up., because they are doing a job and nine times out of ten...it's a job they don't want to do.
Theres just one thing I wanted to point out about this whole freedom-fighter reference. During the american revolution the british were disgusted with how the americans fought, just as americans are now disgusted at how the iraqis are fighting; they didn't fight fair! They hide in bushes and pick off our officers! Thats not how war is fought! The face of war is constantly changing, it will continue to get nastier and nastier. When presented with a situation where it's killed or be killed, you would be surprised what you would be willing to do.... Just because they don't fight how you want them to fight, dosn't mean that they arn't fighting for their freedom.
I think war is full of shit and obsolete. Can't those little boys learn to play nicely... god... with their bullets, missiles, and such being "aerodynamic".... We know the truth... it's just an obsession over the male genitals!!! They're constantly having to stab people with the damn things... I mean, what the hell man, they need to take it down a notch and go smoke a bowl... go listen to some Michael Hedges or something... sheesh.
you can´t fight for freedom. theres so much shit happening down in iraq and it was wrong that america started war there in first place. things are happening there you wouldn´t even imagine. spooner i really wish for you that you don´t wish anyone death.
AHHHHHH!!!!! NO honey no. It's not just that they're hiding. I couldn't care less about that. Everyone does that in war. THEY ARE KILLING CIVILIANS....THEY ARE KILLING THEIR OWN PEOPLE...THEY ARE SETTING OFF CAR BOMBS RIGHT THERE WHERE CHILDREN ARE...THEY ARE KIDNAPPING PEOPLE WHO WERE OVER THERE TO HELP THEM AND THEN BEHEADING THEM IF THAT PERSON'S HOME COUNTRY DOESN'T COMPLY WITH WHAT THEY WANT! That my dear, is terrorism. That is not noble. good god, how many more times do I have to say that.
