yeah - they're fighting for against economic oppression. Funny how every "satellite" american colony embraces free-marketing more then the usa? Well thanks for the compliment *blush* I'm kind of confused about the uneducated part... I mean i've put out some sources to read, what have you thrown me? Have i called you any names? I feel strongly enough to stand by my first statement, but i haven't attacked any of you. You're differentiating between killers, and accomplices and aides to killers... everytime you work on a plane (or whatever it is you do in your little airforce) that plane goes around hurting shit, and not just soldiers man. There've been tons of instances of planes bombing hospitals, schools, markets. So i'm telling you unless you support this (and if you do i think you're pretty damn terrible) stop helping the airforce buddy. if you have to spend a couple years in jail, well you're doing it to save someone's life.
Because they can't compete in straight on battles with America's army. It's like a little kid getting picked on kicking the bully in the balls.
You really missed my point there. My point (once again) was that the british during your revolution were just as abhored as you are now. Back then you didn't hide in bushes and pick off officers. That was cowardly, and immoral, that was not how you fought a war. But, the americans won the revolution, so sniping became an accepted tactic.
Of course not, and many of my other posts about this make it clear that I don't think that. I know very well that our side isn't innocent, but that doesn't excuse their horrible actions either. That's just silly. You wanna fight someone, fight someone, don't go killing innocent civilians of your own country. Iraqis who don't want us there are also getting killed. Heh, yeah I did kinda miss the point. Sorry, I'm on edge today (not just because of this stuff...got a full day of class ahead driving me crazy). I see what you're saying after going back and reading what you originally wrote. Honestly though....I hope this doesn't become a new war tactic across the board. As evil as I think war is anyway, when you get down to killing your own innocent civilians and kids, you've just gone beyond way too far.
god dammit...i had typed up a big ass post, but then the forums changed this morning. so yeah, fuck it But Ed, if you have no clue about the subject of this post, get out, you're making the stereotypical hillbilly look good....thats quite hard, but a random occurance with you.
Chuck-- http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,,2-10-1460_1619583,00.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/world/newsid_3528000/3528281.stm The first link is a story on a car bomb set off by Iraqi terrorist in a commercial center. The second is a story on the bomb that killed over 140 people at a Shia festival in march. They ARE killing their own people. Some of the terrorists in Iraq (and there so many now compared to before the invasion because Saddam Hussein wouldn't let any of them in) are not even Iraqi--they are Islamic fundamentalists from other countries who came to Iraq because it was (and is) in near anarchy, much like Afghanistan and why they have so many terrorists there. The Iraq "freedom fighters" are FUNDAMENTALISTS (and, by the way, I thought you hated religious fundamentalists? ...Funny how opinions change when it's another group ) who don't give a shit about the Iraqi people--they are there to promote their own agenda of suppressing women, teaching dogma in schools, and to bring Iraqis back to oppression. Hell, even under Saddam Hussein, religious fundamentalism was not tolerated. I was against this war, and still am, but we made the mess, and if we left now it would only get worse. Spooner-- Since you seem to be opposed to every single form of military action, let me ask you this: Would you have supported US military intervention during the Rwandan genocide? Or, even better, would you support US military intervention in the current genocide in the Darfur region of Sudan? (and yes, I know this is a hypothetical situation; there is no oil in Africa, and so we would never care). Now, if your answer is no, then you are essentially suggesting that the millions of starving people in Sudan, the millions of women who have been raped, and the 800,000 people who died in Rwanda, HAD to die because "violence begets violence, so sorry, you're fucked. Humanity has no choice but to sit back and watch your ass get blasted because we will have no part in your violence." Well, I hate to tell you this, but to quote MLK, "We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the hateful words and actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence of the good people." I do not support unecessary violence, and as I stated before, I was against the invasion of Iraq. But I do not believe that every violent situation can be solved by sticking flowers in people's guns. If you believe that we should go into situations with a "nonviolent peace force," then guess what? That's exactly what they did in Rwanda, and look how great that turned out, 800,000 lives later. I saw a documentary recently (forgot the name at the moment) of the Rwandan genocide, and they interviewed the General from the UN in charge of leading the peacekeeping troups in Rwanda. I don't know how much you know about the UN, but the UN's troops have guns, but they are not allowed to shoot unless they are shot at. If they feel the need to shoot, they must tell their general, who must call UN headquaters in New York, who must then hold a meeting to decide if it's acceptable for them to shoot, who must then call the general back, who must then tell his troops that it's okay to shoot. Now, there's just one little problem with all this: It can take up to 6 HOURS for the troops to get permission to shoot!! By that time, the fighting is over and the rebels are long gone. Anyway, the general on the documentary said he was HAUNTED with images of innocent people being slaughtered with machetes right in front of his eyes and he was powerless to do anything about it. Yes, sometimes violence is necessary. If you don't believe the US or international community should get involved in any way, then you are essentially being an apologist for all the Hitlers of our modern era. Now, if your answer to the previous questions was yes, than your argument still makes no sense since I don't see how you can call the soldiers murderers and then go and support military action to defend innocent people. -Kate
You dumbass, im Security Forces. All we do is SECURITY. I wish you would go to iraq. Id like to see your pussy ass give a flower to a suicide bomber. And is your head so far up your ass you can't see who your attacking. You wished me and all my fellow soldiers to die. I think thats along the lines of attacking. I hope homeland security performs extraordnary rendition on you.
Another point to be made here; all you guys saying that they had the right to execute a prisoner because the iraqis use extreme tactics. Non of these tactics were being used until America invaded... Get out! Face it, America is the agressor here. They threw the first punch.
I never said we had the right to execute anyone, but we do have the right to make a call if a situation is dangerous.
Of course. No one here (at least that I saw...I could have missed something) is saying the US is innocent. But neither are the insurgents by any means. We shouldn't have gone there, but we did. Nothing excuses what those insurgents have done though. Nothing. And if we left and they came to power, Iraq would be more fucked than before. I want us to get out too...but I don't see how we can leave now having caused the turmoil we caused...and to leave them in charge....
yeah we did, deal with it. It wasn't your call because your too much of a pussy to make a call like that anyway.
What does being a pussy have to do with it? I could easily have made the call, I could make it right now. Heres a wounded man, laying on the ground, unarmed. DON'T SHOOT HIM. Call made.
Ya maybe your right. AMerica created this chaos, and it is America's responsibility. Now, some possible options would be to internationalize the force, or to actually create a working Iraqi government that truly represents its people, and not just a pawn put in power. Anyway, America is to blame for creating this mess, and I believe that a draft would be a fine idea. I mean, didn't all those Americans support the war? Well, let's test the idiots, and see if they are willing to fight for what they supported. Of course, I wouldn't worry about a draft, because I'm quite sure I can get off on 'insanity' or something of that sort. And besides, even if I was drafted, I would gladly rot in prison before being shipped overseas. So thus, I am not worried about a possible draft, and if many of you will take the same attitude as me, nor shall you worry either.
Then maybe you should join up so you can make a difference in the way we do things. Im sure you won't, your the kind that just sits on his ass bitching about stuff, not really trying to do anything about it, but is completly satisfied bitching.
