McCain “cuts and runs” from debates

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  1. duckandmiss

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    In this time of economic crisis, Barack approached John McCain to suggest a joint statement of principles to guide a recovery plan. McCain then announced he would suspend his campaign and requested a postponement of Friday’s debate.

    Here is Barack's response
    http://my.barackobama.com/latestremarks

    Which seems to be reasonable and understandable...

    Both candidates are worried about their presidential campaign... neither one needs to be in washington, it would be a symbolic effort... and it's rather convenient that McCain would not want to debate in this climate.

    I don't care if you think he stutters through answers what he is saying is making sense and the facts are there... I'm middle class... Obama's tax breaks will put more money back in my pocket than McCain's plan.. This is a documented fact... Obama will increase taxes for the richer percentage and I agree with this... if you are benefiting and doing positively in this economy then the rich are the ones who are going to have to bail it out... they are the ones with all the money... If I can't get a loan, I can't make payments on a car... and therefore I cannot stimulate the economy...

    These ideologies over the past years are shared by McCain, his voting record proves that...
    If you look at the issues of each candidate, the middle class is far better served by Obama's plans... and we are currently seeing the results of the Bush doctrine, war, fear, the strengthening of the executive branch, economic ruin and a ridiculous national debt... Doesn't anyone remember where we were 9 years ago? a high employment, no national debt, a nation of peace and diplomacy? Remember those years? It was that president that got the blowjob?
     
  2. DNCämþër

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    Yes I do...if you have noticed things have been on a downhill with the economy for 2 years. I was better off 2 years ago than I am now.

    Deregulation? So if you had a business or a job, rather than make a profit you would give up your hard earned money to those who don't want to work, but are entitled to the same things that someone else is for doing all the work. I want to buy a Jeep...why don't you give me your money so I can have it. Under Obama's policies you will be buying me a Jeep because I am entitled to it.

    Senator Harry Reid slams President Bush for "fiscal dereliction of duty," saying that Bush has been "absent" on the financial crisis. Funny, wasn't it the Bush administration that proposed reform of Freddie Mae and Fannie Mac years ago? And wasn't it he Democrats, with a party line veto, that killed it? But it is always easy to blame Bush. It's easy because the media will fall in line and the dumb masses don't know any better.

    The president can only do so much the rest is up to the democratic congress...they are the law makers. They are the the ones who actually make the laws...it takes a majority vote for a law to pass and who has the majority? Democrats. Democrats are good at pointing the finger and standing back criticizing rather than acting. I think their political mascot ought to be a chicken.

    Obama's voting record..."present" rather than making a commitment he stands back.

    Yes, news companies who make campaign contributions to the democratic cause will only produce one sided news to push their agenda.

    What would the democratic solution to terrorism be? open up our borders with no defense?

    We have never had a free federal election from day 1 of the constitution...
     
  3. Higherthanhell

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  4. DNCämþër

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    It has nothing to do with prejudice or education...it has all to do with I am unwilling to carry the weight of those in this society who won't. I have worked hard for everything I have and I am not going to give it away so someone can have a free ride.

    If one wanted to join a commune one of the things I'm sure they will look at is how productive the prospect will be. Do you think they would invite a slough off? No I wouldn't either.

    I agree that our government is not perfect nor will it ever be but, to just hand out hard earnings to dead weight is ludicrous. There is no silver spoon here, but why don't you hand me your wallet and your pin numbers...better yet give it to Obama.
     
  5. duckandmiss

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    What are you talking about? The tax cut for the middle class is more substantial under Obama than it is under McCain... this is a fact... look it up under factcheck.org.

    I was much better off 9 years ago... I remember the days when I actually got a tax return...

    The Bush doctrine was based on deregulation and the idea of giving everyone a house loan... there was even a term that Bush coined for it... though I can't remember now...

    and Republicans are good at pandering to the rich and now I guess increasing the power of government... hmm when the hell did that change?

    Democratic majority only came into fruition recently... and thus began Bush's lame duck years...

    Sometimes senators vote present so that it is known that they were there but that there were issues on the bill that did not allow them to vote on it... like for example when you push an education bill and some senator tacks on a line talking about making land mines.

    Also why don't you compile a list about these news organizations that are backing democrats and I'll tell you that I got that second list of all of McCain's quotes off of the FOX news website...

    ...don't you think maybe there is a middle ground between putting troops into our communities that are under the direct command of the executive branch and opening up our borders? Let's not play games...
    Each state has its own forces and we have the national guard... and the police force why wouldn't we put the energy into that...


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  6. DNCämþër

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    Oh, I am a proponent of the fair tax with no IRS...
     
  7. Higherthanhell

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  8. DNCämþër

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    Do you get to vote for your Electors?

    It does not say that the citizens have the right to vote for President and Vice-President...the Electors do.

    The right to vote in what? Just a blanket phrase...

    Who carries the votes for President or Vice President and actually places them...

    Another blanket phrase...vote for what?

    and finally the Supreme Court...

    We cannot vote for our Electors...the votes we place for President or Vice President are meaningless until we can vote without Electors.

    We have every right to vote in State and municipal elections where we have no Electors.
     
  9. duckandmiss

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    Man, you spent all that time just to prove we vote in a representative Democracy?... I recognize that we vote so that the electoral college will vote for a president... I'm pretty sure thats not what he was talking about when he mentioned a free election...
     
  10. DNCämþër

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    Actually...I am registered as Independent, but usually swing Libertarian.
     
  11. The Scribe

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    You sound disappointed because the Democrats did not stop the Republicans from acting like Republicans.
     
  12. DNCämþër

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    I apologize, I thought you were meaning that we actually had free elections. My bad.
     
  13. Higherthanhell

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  14. duckandmiss

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    As in we have elections...
    we don't have monarchy... or a dictatorship...
    free election does not have to mean direct democracy...


    McCain ran, and is able to spin it his way so he looks like he is concerned about the economy.

    We are going to have a new president soon and I want them both in a room together hashing it out...
     
  15. The Scribe

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    We do have free elections in the United States. Unfortunately low income white Republicans are too stupid to know what is best for them.:(
     
  16. duckandmiss

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    I wish the white lower class would understand that rich white republicans don't give a shit about them. That's why they turned them against the black lower class in the colonies so that the lower class would be too busy hating each other because of race and leave the Tidewater Gentry alone...

    After Bacon's rebellion in the US the political strength of the common farmers and laborers had not improved - they would long remain in the shadow of the Tidewater gentry. Further, these plantation-owning families came to realize that unemployed former indentured servants were a threat to social stability. They turned increasingly to the use of slaves, who were regarded as a safer source of labor and were less expensive.


    It's obvious McCain has everything to lose by taking part in a debate right now.
     
  17. Elijah

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    they have backed down from bush numerous times like the spineless twits they are. with the exception of hillary clinton, she was all for the war when it was popular amongst the general public. but as soon as it stopped being so popular, she was all of a sudden against it. both parties are failures, therefore i see no point in defending one while bashing the other.


     
  18. duckandmiss

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    Because we're talking about Obama, not Hillary (she's not a presidential candidate btw). Yes democrats are a different breed, what Bill Mahr call it the great white democratic guilt or something... Yes both candidates have to spin things a bit and build up their strengths and lessen their weaknesses, but that needs to be done in this celebrity driven, sound byte, lowest common denominator world, we live in..

    I see a difference in the issues that Obama presents from McCain... FACTUAL differences... and differences in core beliefs as well... as a middle class voter I know my interests are best served at this point by the Democrats... Republicans have been moving more and more towards big government and big business. McCain married rich and I'll never be so lucky... evn in this campaign Obama has had to scrimp and push to fundraise... something McCain does not have to worry about...


    There are extreme differences between the candidates... if you can't see them, your not paying attention...
     
  19. def zeppelin

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    Carry the weight?

    People can't eat or pay their bills and you're worried about losing what exactly? That summer home in Belgium? You make this sound as though you are forced to carry a mule over your shoulders.

    It's ignorant to think that all poor people are poor do to laziness. These people work their asses off and are still struggling. Please don't be ignorant. Your statements remind me of Paris Hilton when she was beginning to become famous with her dinky show. She didn't understand that some people have to go to the laundromat to get their clothes washed because not everyone can afford a washing machine. That's how out of touch with reality you are. I suggest driving down to lower income neighborhoods and recognize the reality of things.

    If someone makes 20k a year, has to pay 5k a year in taxes, then that can really hurt him.

    If someone with millions loses 20k then he'll still be able to pay his bills and afford a life style that 95% of the world can only dreams of.

    Your hard work isn't somehow more special or more difficult than millions of others hard work. The only difference is that your work earns you more money.
     
  20. wackyiraqi

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    Who's work, and what type of work are you comparing?
     
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