McCain “cuts and runs” from debates

Discussion in 'America Attacks!' started by Higherthanhell, Sep 24, 2008.

  1. def zeppelin

    def zeppelin All connected

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    WORK. Hard, strenuous, tedious, etc.

    Teachers for instance, they don't make that much, but their work is difficult.

    No comparison necessary.
     
  2. The Scribe

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    I was better off eight years ago. So were most Americans.

    The dumb masses are white blue collar workers who keep voting Republican, even though their pay checks buy less every year although their employers keep getting richer. :confused:

    The Wall Street Journal is in favor of open borders.

    What do you mean by "a free federal election?" :confused: Actually, that's a pretty stupid statement. :p
     
  3. The Scribe

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    I love that statement! :cheers2:

    There is little moral significance to the distribution of wealth and income. Hard work, self discipline, honesty, and common decency will keep one out of prison and off welfare. They will not make one rich. Many rich people have none of those qualities. Many of the hardest working, most conscientious people in the United States are also desperately poor. Those who do not see them are not looking. :(
     
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    I can't wait to see Joe Biden clobber Sarah Palin in their debate. That will be a real train wreck. :D The Republican Party will go off the rail. :cheers2:
     
  5. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I don't think it's ever going to take place. Katey Couric exposed Palin's shortcomings, and I don't think any amount of rehearsal or prep can prepare her to face Biden. Biden will be a perfect gentleman so the Republican's can't blame him for attacking her, and she is so ill prepared I think they know she'll be toast if she ever does a face to face with him.
     
  6. duckandmiss

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    I was listening to the news this morning, and apparently after all that McCain went to the meeting for the bailout and hardly said a word...
    Then the house Republicans went up in arms and refused to sign the bailout to which the Democrats responded by saying that this legislation was too big for the Democrats to push through and that there had to be a bipartisan decision...

    So nothing happened...
     
  7. wackyiraqi

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    Vice versa. There are also many many wealthy or rich people that are hard working, intelligent, determined, and resourceful. On the flip side, there are many desperately poor people who are lazy that blame society for their shortcommings. For some it is much easier to not be successful. It goes both ways. For the most part, I think we decide our own fate.
     
  8. The Scribe

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    I said there is little relationship between moral worth and income. I did not say there is no relationship. What really matters are rich parents, talent, and luck. Without at least one of those hard work will get you no where.
     
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  10. ShanaBanana

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    Good point!

     
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  12. Elijah

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    anyone who thinks putting any of these four into office is going to change things must be in a deep sleep.
     
  13. Higherthanhell

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  14. duckandmiss

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    People say this every year and I never can understand... if you don't see the candidate you want, vote based on the general issues that each candidate backs... If they don't follow through on what they promise you can let them know, by voting them out, writing a letter, protesting... There is an obvious change between presidential candidates terms visible in our lifetime... Regan was a complete difference from Carter and Clinton's term was completely different from both Bush's terms... There will be certain things that will not change for one reason another, but things change all the time... and there are some marked differences in this years candidates ideas...
    As the candidates get closer to election they usually start speaking more vaguely and getting more and more political and moving more towards the center... because anymore that's what politicians need to win anymore...

    I agree, I am ready for a change, it's time to see what Obama can do.
     
  15. The Scribe

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    When the Republicans and Democrats agree on an issue that is because the vast majority of the American people also agree. Life for most Americans was better under the Clinton years than during the Bush years. I know life was better for me back then.
     
  16. Elijah

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    but there's nothing different about the democrat versus republican mentality. it's crippled any improvement this country could have had well before most of us were born. you can't change things when both parties are controlled by the same sort of monetary interests.


     
  17. Elijah

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    i've heard tons of people say the same thing about the reagan years as well. i think it just boils down to perception, because clinton did screw us when he signed his penstroke for NAFTA. which by the way, lead to rewarding big corpotration for outsourcing jobs. it doesn't matter what clinton did or didn't do to appease the masses. his hands are just as dirty as any bush's hands are.

    criminal indictments have followed the clintons all throughout their political careers. no amount of favourtism or bias can ever change that. i don't think there was ever anymore of a rightwing smear campaign against clinton than there was a campaign of the clintons smearing their rivals, even when their rivals spoke the truth.i mean they must have done something questionable down in arkansas to want to leave the state and never return except for on occaisonal public appearances at their library in little rock.


     
  18. Elijah

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u6lCBnRoHQ&NR=1 let this man explain to you why your vote is pointless. he's right too



     
  19. duckandmiss

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    George Carlin is funny, yes. The problem with not voting because you hate the system is that a bulk of those people are always going to be on the far liberal side of the aisle... Maybe if those people did vote (btw most of the people who don't vote that I know give the "the candidates are the same" excuse, but are really just lazy and they don't know anything about anyone it's just an excuse for them.")... maybe if they did vote we would see more than two political parties, or maybe we could put a candidate that you would like. But people are pacifying themselves and giving up. It's pointless because you made it that way. Do you think rich CEO's watch George Carlin and then decide not to fundraise for politicians? Middle, working, and poor class people see that shit and say, oh then I shouldn't do anything either. Our class outnumbers the amount of rich people... we could vote it a candidate on our own..

    But until then, I'm going to vote for the guy that lowers my (lower middle class) taxes more... which is Obama, and makes the rich accountable for there actions in the market... and makes promises to me that don't involve more war (which the middle and lower class provide soldiers for) and little diplomacy.
     
  20. Elijah

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    how exactly is barack obama antiwar? i've not yet heard him say we won't go to war again. by the way, he's as clueless as mccain is. there really is no point in voting when they don't give you any choices worth a damn. none of them are worth a damn either, besides, didn't the 2000 election teach you anything? they puit whoever they want into office wether or not they really got elected. not much has changed in 8 years and voting surely hasn't done anything as of lately to change anything. but feel free to waste your vote and your energy this november. then 4-8 years from now wonder why in the hell nothing has changed. people go to the polls every four years in november and yet nothing changes. see a pattern here? george carlin's point wasn't to make corporate CEO's change, it was to wake regular americans up. you can vote in whatever candidate you want, but if the people who run shit don't want them in. they won't get into office. it's really that simple.

     
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